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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Of course they do, that's not really a shocking statement. I do like this research though, actually looking at how the underlying data distribution is forgotten.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

So more or less AI inbreeding?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

More like AI prion disease.

(There's also a process where people merge AI models together, and models are merges of merges with a largely unknown lineage, and in this space there's a growing inbreeding problem.)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

lol best description of what's happening

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

AI kessler syndrome bloomer

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

So basically the only way to have good "AI" ~~LLMs~~ is for it to be a mechanical turk? shocked-pikachu

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

What if my robot was just a guy?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not really AI if they can't learn from one another.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

You mean LLMs aren't really AI???? Double shocked-pikachu

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

indiscriminate use of model-generated content

Indiscriminate is the key word in this paper. No one trains this way. Synthetic data and filtering out bad data are already very important steps for training and will continue to stay that way. With proper filtering and evaluation, models trained on synthetic data do better then the ones before.

This is not the end of ai, like so many wish it would be.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't think this is going to be the end of AI either, and the corpus of data before AI generated content became prevalent is also huge. So, I don't think there's really lack of training data. I personally think this is more interesting from the perspective of how these algorithms work in general. The fact that they end up collapsing when consuming their own content seems to indicate that the quality of content is fundamentally different from that generated by humans.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yea that's completly fair, I think ai models in general to have lots of interesting characteristics that are very different from humans. I just see a lot of people taking conclusions from papers like this that aren't justified.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Very much agree, and I find the whole hatred of generative AI is largely misguided to begin with. It's interesting technology that has useful applications. Most of the problems associated with it ultimately trace back to capitalism, as opposed to any inherent problem with LLMs themselves.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

It's obvious enough that this will happen if you cycle one model's output through itself, but they looked at different types of models (LLMs, VAEs, and GMMs) and found the same collapse in all of them. I think that's a big finding.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Rampancy if instead of becoming hyper intelligent beyond moral constraints you instead got dementia

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

biden-nibble Look mack, I should be going, my wife Dr. Jill Cortana has to use the email

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

geordi-no Recursively Generated Data

geordi-yes Aggression to the Mean

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

filled-square = The answer generated by the most sophisticated generative LLM's mankind will ever generate.