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  • Home routing and encryption technologies are making lawful interception harder for Europol
  • PET-enabled home routing allows for secure communication, hindering law enforcement's ability to intercept and monitor communications
  • Europol suggests solutions such as disabling PET technologies and implementing cross-border interception standards to address the issue.
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[–] [email protected] 210 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Warning: non-transparent walls, window blinds and door locks prevent lawful interception and surveillance - how are the authorities supposed to know you're not doing something naughty in there?

[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Clothing hides weapons! So do fat folds. Kill all the fat people and go naked for a crime free world in the new authoritarian bridge between Nazis and Stalinists for a wonderful Europe.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

There are places a skinny naked person can hide things. What do we do about that?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Mandatory random cavity searches.

It's the only way to keep society safe!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Kill them all. If your butt cheeks touch in the middle you get the antisemitic/Palestinian treatment. Would you like to die by rocket, bomb, on the hood of a car, as a joke, career suicide, anonymous mass grave, student failure with no future, self emulation, militant untrained police, starvation, Kremlin backed Right faction first world extremist regime mob of fucktards, or randomly one of the above? Heil Europe!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

how are the authorities supposed to know you’re not doing something naughty in there?

Humans are actually supposed to do naughty things. Otherwise they'd be worried about demography

[–] [email protected] 156 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago

Came here to pose exactly this. While I support proper and ethical law enforcement, the Snowden leak clearly showed just how unethical my own government is willing to be to enforce laws. So whatever tools I have at my disposal to prevent unlawful search and seizure, I will use them.

[–] [email protected] 103 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

lawful interception

Idk bout that. Usually you get a warrant for wiretapping and then you pay someone to install it. If they are trying to break encryption or identifying users, that means they inherently are doing something the law does not favor.

Let's also acknowledge that if encryption is bad because it cannot be broken, that means encryption is pretty good at what it should do.

Breaking encryption is never something you do for the right reasons.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago

Breaking encryption is never something you do for the right reasons.

DeCSS.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

Breaking encryption is never something you do for the right reasons.

Uhhh ransomware?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I read this the other day.. the issue they face is on the warrant side, cross border investigations have a 120 day lead time. So instead of actually integrating police and making sure time sensitive investigations get treated as such... They whine about PET.

EuroPol seems to be something like the FBI.. who operate across all US states. But in the EU the countries are still very separate and require such ridiculous things as proof and due process. And that's fine... It just needs to be sped up.

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Cool let's add a backdoor to all routers and gateways, no way it would be exploited by our enemies

[–] [email protected] 73 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Look at the phrasing too, they say it like they have the right to see our information and we're (the citizens) breaking that untold social safety contract.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Transparency should go both ways, no encryption for the people, no encryption for the government z it's only fair.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think the ideal government has to be as transparent as possible so that the common people can control their government effectively.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Or exploited by the government

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Yeah. He said "our enemies". We're saying the same thing.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Everyone asking for/demanding this IS the enemy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 88 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's almost as if police need to get a warrant to wiretap people, and can't just do illegal wiretaps on unencrypted data. I can see why the EU may want to consider implementing processes for cross-border wiretaps, though.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Even if law enforcement can get a warrant, unless there's a backdoor in the encryption then the data stays private. That's the whole point of encryption.

The fundamental problem is law enforcement feeling entitled to snoop on private communications with a warrant vs the inherent security flaw with making a backdoor in encrypted communications. The backdoor will eventually get exploited, either by reverse engineering/tinkering or someone leaking keys, and then encryption becomes useless. The only way encryption works is if the data can only be decrypted by one key.

Anyone else remember when TSA published a picture of the master key set for TSA approved luggage locks and people had modeled and printed replicas within hours?

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 3 months ago

Oh my! Encryption makes it harder to snoop uninvited into things that should not concern them in the first place! Shocking!

[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 months ago

I fixed the bulleted.

  • Home routing and encryption technologies are making ~~lawful interception~~ spying on innocent civilians harder for Europol

  • PET-enabled home routing allows for secure communication, ~~hindering~~ preventing law enforcement’s ability to intercept and ~~monitor~~ spy on the communications of innocent civilians

  • Europol suggests solutions such as disabling PET technologies and implementing cross-border interception standards to address the issue of Europol not knowing how to do their jobs without resorting to Orwellian dystopian techniques

  • PET technologies does exactly what it's intended to do--protect the innocent civilian from the prying eyes of the not innocent bodies that are hellbent on eroding privacy and security

[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 months ago

Oh no.... Anyway

[–] [email protected] 57 points 3 months ago

Good! The government has no business in peoples' homes.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 months ago

Good, privacy is why they are being used. The government has plenty of legal ways to invade a person's privacy, perhaps they should consider using them.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 months ago

For those who aren't aware. This is talking about when cell phones roam into other networks, they now encrypt the traffic back to the home provider which means law enforcement struggle to tap it (legally or illegally).

PET is privacy enhancing technologies

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago

AWWWWW, POOR FASCISTS CAN'T HACK OUR DEVICES

Because you know that's what it's really about, not "lawful interception". Fuck them.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago

Hold on while I dig out the world's smallest violin for them.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

My main man, you deserve the wall for even attempting that shit, now you're gonna complain we're making it hard?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I don't feel that intercepting traffic should ever be considered lawful.

If you need evidence, get a warrant, and take the equipment.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago

Good. Fk off governments.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago

Think of the children!

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

Tough. Shit.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

man, I do my homelab for hobby and better performance. this is bonus.

disclaimer: didn't read the article past the paywall fade out. and I'm too lazy to circumvent

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Home routing in this case refers to IP tunneling when roaming.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

you mean like ipsec or vpn? I have been playing with that too for connecting my brother's computers to my self host services.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Good. 'Lawful' interception is total nonsense. They'd have a camera up everyone's ass if they could.

As it is our TVs bloody listen to us....1984 is here.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I get that that’s bad and that shouldn’t be.

But there just have been too many cases of unlawful interception (NSA and Criminal). So I personally don’t think we should move back away from encryption

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

LMAO, the only way you're getting my OpenWRT router running FOSS U-Boot is by prying it from my cold, dead hands.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

...and even then, good luck! Because I will have glued it to my cold, dead hands.

— Soldier, Team Fortress 2

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago
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