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Biden tells Hill Democrats he 'declines' to step aside and says it's time for party drama 'to end' (apnews.com)

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Here's the part I like: Biden said "if they’re serious they ought to 'announce for president, challenge me at the convention' or rally behind him against Trump".

He's got a point. I thought the debate was a massive fuck-up, but deciding who to replace him with and then mounting a viable attempt at the replacement with that person makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than just leaning into GOP talking points about how Biden's fuckups, however bad, are definitely worse than Trump's objectively much worse fuckups.

Replace Biden? Sure, let's get fuckin busy, find a good replacement, and if doesn't work, get behind Biden or whoever the nominee is. I still think Jon Stewart is the way to do it, but that is probably a non starter of an idea. Kamala Harris is the highest polling option and realistic. Be aware that everyone who was super panicked about Biden's unsuitability will instantly pivot to panicking with concern-trolling about Kamala's unsuitability, and if you fall for it right away again and start trying to replace her, I will not have a lot of respect for you or your intelligence or pattern recognition abilities.

Keep Biden? Sure, that sounds good too. Let's get fuckin busy, and start rallying people to help him beat the end of the world in November.

Keep running in circles flapping our hands in the air about how something must be done because we're definitely going to lose in November, without offering any good alternate strategy or way to get it done? That is the option that seems unlikely to cause anything good to happen. It is, however, what a lot of the Republican aligned media seems very very committed to encouraging the Democrats to do, and for some mentally challenged reason it seems like it's winning over quite a lot of them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Lots of politicians are cowards. A few candidates confronted Biden and were completely destroyed in the primary.

It's incredibly selfish to hurt the overall party goals (climate change, healthcare, increasing taxes on the wealthy) just to help your personal career.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

As in many things, it is easy to look in from the outside, and lob criticism because of problems or failures you can clearly see. Fun, too! You get to look like a genius and the guy trying to get things done looks like a chump in the harsh illumination of your piercing insight.

It is much more difficult to step into the situation and help achieve success. And yet, the second one is what's needed. The first one is valuable too, sure, but we've got enough of it at this point, I think.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Trump does his fuck ups with enough confidence for his voters not to notice.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Bro. He could rape their kids live on cspan and they’d line up to lick his asshole in gratitude.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's actually not true. People regularly walk out of Trump rallies early because it's just an incoherent mess and it just keeps going for over an hour. Even the true believers aren't that into it after a while.

This post makes a fairly compelling and fairly chilling argument for why it might be that Trump gets such a free pass in the media for the blatant fuckups he makes and why there's still so much scrutiny of Biden.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Fox News will craft it into a story for republicans to consume. The few waking up are far removed from the millions that cannot think for themselves and only repeat what their media tells them.

There were plenty of calls for Trump to not run because of January 6 far before 2024. Most of them from liberal media. The writer of the post you linked is just not correct. Nikki Haley's entire campaign was ran on trying to beat Trump and she did manage to get around 40% of the republican vote.

Biden is facing scrutiny now because his age is a massive hindrance. It showed clearly at the debate. I am not sure why everyone is so personally attached to him. Replacing Biden is guaranteed to boost the chances Democrats have of winning. This contrasts with Trump who RNC is not going to replace because he has their best chance of winning.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

Sundowning on live television doesn't seem to have worked, let's try hubris instead!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

I realize it was not Biden that called it "drama", but there is a lot more here at stake, and characterizing it as "drama" is wildly irresponsible.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

“Party drama must end” says the man only really staying in because of his massive ego.

(Ya’ll still need to vote)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You're talking about Biden's 'massive ego' in a race with Trump as a candidate? 🤣

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

DNC ego is why we got Trump in 2016.

Also Trump voters don't care about their candidate being shitty. It's a feature not a bug. Biden has people with standards and morals to motivate. Relying on the shittiness of trump is a losing move. Biden was inoffensive in 2020, that no longer the case this time round. This all is how we end up with trump again

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I don't disagree about the DNC's ego, but the stakes are very different from 2016.

Biden has people with standards and morals to motivate.

Are you suggesting those people with morals and standards will just abandon those morals and standards to vote Trump because Biden didn't look as good as they wanted? Or just not vote because Biden didn't live up to those standards, despite the Supreme Court and Trump making it very clear that democracy is on the ballot.

This isn't going to be a race decided by undecided voters, no one is sitting on the fence despite what the media might be saying. The only people saying they are undecided simply don't want to admit their politics out in the public.

And like you said, Trump voters see his shittiness to others as a feature, not a bug. But democrats don't. They see it for what it is, shittiness. So Why, in your mind, would Dem leaning voters look at all of the things Trump has done and decide "you know what, that Biden guy and the Democrats better align to my morals and standards, but Biden looked awfully old.. I better vote for the guy trying to destroy democracy, he's only 78 after all."

No one is seriously considering that. It's just not a real option. The only thing I could see being a possibility is people being discouraged against voting entirely because Biden didn't exactly fit into their perfect mold of a candidate. So as a protest, they abstained from voting, and in turn allowed fascism to win through their collective inaction. I can't see anybody even remotely leaning Democrat doing that though. If they've been paying even the slightest bit of attention, they've probably already decided to protest vote against Trump.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

I don't think people will actively choose to vote for Trump over Biden in protest. I agree it isn't going to be a race for undecided voters but rather trying to convince people to go to the polls and then actually get them to vote for Biden.

If something g doesn't change, I think we are going to see a huge dip in voter turn out for dems. I'm sure it'll still be massive but the Delta between Trump turnout and Biden turnout will be historic

There has been a lot of talk now about "what's the plan for when trump gets reelected if we decide not to vote for Biden?". And it's a great question without a good answer. I've mentally prepared myself for Trump to win. I know that I'll likely be one of the people who vote for Biden on election day but I also think we need to have a plan for the people who won't fall in line.

Conservatives are great at falling in line. Expecting liberals/leftists/etc to fall in line is a recipe for disaster.

If I had to come up with a plan, I'd say that we should start maybe having some room for a "at least vote down ballot" message. Cause if dems significantly sweep the house/senate, maybe some checks and balances could be in place (but I won't hold my breath). But that motivation could get people show up like how the uncommitted movement in primaries worked for driving turnout.

I'm scared shirtless tho. I'm mentally preparing myself for a second term Trump. One other wildcard in this is that I really don't know how gen z is gonna act. The world is real bleak for them and I think they might really intentionally decide to be accelerationists instead of being able to be motivated by harm reduction.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

This isn't going to be a race decided by undecided voters, no one is sitting on the fence

Welp, that's the Dems and therefore the country doomed!

You just described the only voters that the DNC have cared about since 1992.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

All of donnie's faults are a given, but there is no reason we should excuse Biden's hubris if we are heading for the fascist iceberg...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Half his party is concerned that he can’t win. No need to listen to them. After all, he’s the POTUS so he must know what he’s doing.

Le sigh.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Biden is declining!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

"I'm not stepping aside. (Every step hurts.)"

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

Nah bruh fuck off.