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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Here's the part I like: Biden said "if they’re serious they ought to 'announce for president, challenge me at the convention' or rally behind him against Trump".

He's got a point. I thought the debate was a massive fuck-up, but deciding who to replace him with and then mounting a viable attempt at the replacement with that person makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than just leaning into GOP talking points about how Biden's fuckups, however bad, are definitely worse than Trump's objectively much worse fuckups.

Replace Biden? Sure, let's get fuckin busy, find a good replacement, and if doesn't work, get behind Biden or whoever the nominee is. I still think Jon Stewart is the way to do it, but that is probably a non starter of an idea. Kamala Harris is the highest polling option and realistic. Be aware that everyone who was super panicked about Biden's unsuitability will instantly pivot to panicking with concern-trolling about Kamala's unsuitability, and if you fall for it right away again and start trying to replace her, I will not have a lot of respect for you or your intelligence or pattern recognition abilities.

Keep Biden? Sure, that sounds good too. Let's get fuckin busy, and start rallying people to help him beat the end of the world in November.

Keep running in circles flapping our hands in the air about how something must be done because we're definitely going to lose in November, without offering any good alternate strategy or way to get it done? That is the option that seems unlikely to cause anything good to happen. It is, however, what a lot of the Republican aligned media seems very very committed to encouraging the Democrats to do, and for some mentally challenged reason it seems like it's winning over quite a lot of them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Lots of politicians are cowards. A few candidates confronted Biden and were completely destroyed in the primary.

It's incredibly selfish to hurt the overall party goals (climate change, healthcare, increasing taxes on the wealthy) just to help your personal career.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

As in many things, it is easy to look in from the outside, and lob criticism because of problems or failures you can clearly see. Fun, too! You get to look like a genius and the guy trying to get things done looks like a chump in the harsh illumination of your piercing insight.

It is much more difficult to step into the situation and help achieve success. And yet, the second one is what's needed. The first one is valuable too, sure, but we've got enough of it at this point, I think.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Trump does his fuck ups with enough confidence for his voters not to notice.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Bro. He could rape their kids live on cspan and they’d line up to lick his asshole in gratitude.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's actually not true. People regularly walk out of Trump rallies early because it's just an incoherent mess and it just keeps going for over an hour. Even the true believers aren't that into it after a while.

This post makes a fairly compelling and fairly chilling argument for why it might be that Trump gets such a free pass in the media for the blatant fuckups he makes and why there's still so much scrutiny of Biden.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Fox News will craft it into a story for republicans to consume. The few waking up are far removed from the millions that cannot think for themselves and only repeat what their media tells them.

There were plenty of calls for Trump to not run because of January 6 far before 2024. Most of them from liberal media. The writer of the post you linked is just not correct. Nikki Haley's entire campaign was ran on trying to beat Trump and she did manage to get around 40% of the republican vote.

Biden is facing scrutiny now because his age is a massive hindrance. It showed clearly at the debate. I am not sure why everyone is so personally attached to him. Replacing Biden is guaranteed to boost the chances Democrats have of winning. This contrasts with Trump who RNC is not going to replace because he has their best chance of winning.