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"We've been told our games are too expensive in some countries but we've been using Steam's recommended pricing for a while. We trust Valve enough to not change this. If our games are still too expensive for you, you can pirate them until you have enough to support us."

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[–] 148 points 3 years ago (12 children)

I have to imagine a comment like this does absolutely nothing to their sales figures. People who were going to download a cracked version of their games anyway remain unaffected now that they have a blessing, and I doubt people who weren't going to pirate would now feel more inclined to do so.

This seems like good PR and frankly it should probably be the default position for games studios.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Yeah, the whole piracy crackdown situation is so stupid.

    I pirate a lot of media, if you added it all up it would be a lot of money (if I was to buy everything). The difference is, before I pirated I barely bought any of the media.

    • I pirate some games that i'd never buy. I buy all games I want to support.
    • I pay TV licence, netflix and amazon. I pirate tons of TV series because they aren't on those services. I literally can't buy some of them and if I could i'd need about 10 different streaming services.
    • Films, I pirate a lot of films. Before I pirated I never bought any films, i'd either wait for netflix/normal TV or just not watch them. I still go to the cinema for big releases.
    • I subscribe on patreon, github and donate to LOADS of projects, many of which i've pirated first or obtained a copy of (books are a big one here).

    If you were to objectively look at the value of the pirated media, it would seem that i've "stolen" or studios have missed out on lots of revenue, but the truth is I pirate a lot of media, just because I can.

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    [–] 71 points 3 years ago (20 children)

    Their reason is: people is using g2a for "discounted" keys.

    Where the "discount" comes? Easy, some asshole buys from their website many keys with a stolen credit card, then they will need to refund it + pay an expensive fee for the chargeback.

    I'm not a dev but at that point I would just give up selling keys by myself and I would just rely on steam for fraud detection. The only case where the 30% fee is justified

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    So, basically, G2A is a fence for stolen property? Why hasn't it been shut down by law enforcement?

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago* (9 children)

    I'll take the downvotes but this is hardly true. Most of them come from bundles and purchasing them in other countries where it's a lot cheaper. You can prove this easily by checking games on g2a that almost never go on sale or are included in bundles and you will notice the price is the same or a few dollars cheaper than steam.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    Most == prevent.

    The issue with G2A is that any keys at all come from scammed credit cards. In a silly way it's like of like tor. It doesn't matter if I am trying to sell my excess Humble Bundle keys in good faith on G2A if other sellers on the market are selling scammed keys. Good users making listings obfuscate all the bad users.

    Also, purchasing regional keys cheaper and reselling them is also what causes this shit in the first place. People blame Valve for making the decision, but not the people switching to a region to buy a game for cents on the dollar and then resell it? That is actively hurting the people in those countries who are now being charged closer to USD prices. For Brazillians this is exorbitant.

    I don't disagree with you in that there are G2A keys that come from bundles. But I do disagree with the notion that "it doesn't matter." It absolutely matters because it's affecting people's ability to buy games and it affects people circumventing legal purchase methods (of which I support their circumventing) who then have to deal with buying scammed credit card keys instead of me selling them and excess Humble Bundle key. The card gets charged back, the developer loses money, the G2A purchaser loses their key, and the scammers get off scott-free.

    Basically, G2A should be a good idea but has been co-opted by scammers. These sites have their grey-market reputation for a reason, because it's run entirely off of the losses of others. Losses of the developers, losses of regional players, and losses of players purchasing games on these grey-market sites.

    There's no winners for G2A except for the owners of the site and scammers. You may win once in a while getting a brand new game for $5-25 less. You may end up losing when it's pulled from your account, if it does. At that point, you're effectively gambling. Taking a risk for a discount on something with a high likelihood of it being unethically sourced which may be removed from your account?

    In most cases I'd personally rather pay the extra $15 to just have the peace of mind. The chance of the game not being bought on a stolen CC and not supporting regional theft that hurts those players is just a bonus.

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  • [–] 45 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    I wish more companies did this; however, I believe most CEO's have the biased view that everyone has at least some money to spare which, as you probably know (likely on personal level), isn't true.

    I understand that participating in cultural aspects of society must cost money due to the very nature of economics (if you want the artist to continue to make art, make sure they don't starve to death) but 'pirating' things is there not only as a stop gap to terrible service and personal risk (privacy violations, etc.), but also as an equalizer between those that have, and those that don't.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    If I made enough that I didn’t have to worry about money while working full time, I’d be much more inclined to spend money on arts and entertainment. As it stands, my entertainment budget is almost entirely going to get food I don’t have to make myself.

    But until society shifts focus to living wages (and not just enough to live, but enough to thrive)…… welp. Maybe those ceos should think on that, and start paying better.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago

    Definitely. I recall a time in my life where I was working while still living with my parents. Needless to say I had A LOT of money I didn't know what to do with. I ended up with about 2 storage bins of books and CD's. I eventually got rid of them when computers became much more capable, but I think I would still buy them if I had extra income. I doubt I will though for at least another 2 decades, considering all the student debt I have. Who would've thought that loading people with crippling financial debt would be bad for the economy?

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    [–] 43 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (15 children)

    This approach makes so much sense from a business perspective.

    How many here have this experience: out of my entire friend group that I grew up playing video games with, I can't think of a single person who kept pirating games after acquiring disposable income, even though we all exclusively played pirated games as teenagers. Without piracy, none of us would have had access to any games, and very likely none of us would still be into gaming today, spending probably thousands of euros every year on games, consoles, PC components, etc.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 years ago (11 children)

    I miss the era of freeware and demos. Give me a taste with no strings attached and you are far more likely to get my money at some point.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago (30 children)

    I'm getting old .. what does this mean and why is it objectionable? Google suggests it means they have strong character, which seems like a fair assessment.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    To a zoomer, based is the opposite of cringe (I'm told). This is the first time I've seen it mentioned in regards to alt-right, that sounds like they happened to be alt-right zoomers.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    No, it's not the "opposite of cringe" and it's not an alt-right dog whistle. It just means the person or group is willing to do the right thing, above politics or greed. It's more comparable to Giga Chad, but it's more accurate to say that Giga Chad when used in memes is the representation of a based individual.

    Also, "alt-right" is a dog whistle for "white supremacist", invented by a white supremacist to soften the language. Stop using it. Just call them white supremacists or fascists.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago* (5 children)

    My understanding of "based" from years and years ago was that it was used as an exclamation when people essentially weren't afraid to speak their minds even if they're likely to get shit for said opinion.

    That's why it's gotten associated with the alt-right because it was usually bigoted douchebags saying bigoted shit that other bigots would then respond "based" to. I feel like the terminology was associated with 4chan in its early usage and spread to reddit.

    I believe your definition that is popular with Gen Z is a newer development.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago

    It's just slang that more-or-less means "confident", originally coined by the rapper Lil B.

    While it's an interesting line of inquiry as to why internet culture may appropriate and adopt words like this, this comment is just giving off major "old man yells at cloud" energy.

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    [–] 28 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    I don’t think this post is allowed on lemmy.world.

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  • The Darkwood devs did this even though they only have one game out, they even uploaded the torrent

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  • [–] 21 points 3 years ago

    If you can't otherwise afford them. Pretty important “if”. And then only until you can afford them.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago

    Now I have to buy their games lol.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Now if only there was a way to safely pirate stuff without the possibility of the binaries having keyloggers or cryptominers embedded in them. I seem to recall some studio hosting an official torrent on their website precisely for this reason.

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    [–] 17 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    I might buy one of their games just to offset someone who can't. I absolutely appreciate a business with this kind of attitude. Like someone else said, the people who pirate it probably weren't going to buy it anyway. Might as well get some goodwill out of it.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

    the people who pirate it probably weren't going to buy it anyway

    Exactly. For example, you can't expect some middle class kid in some third world country to buy the game they like. Playing games by pirating might make them play their favourite game until they eventually grow to a point where they earn themselves and then they buy the games they like.

    P.s) Pirated games all this time but the first game I will actually buy will be Spiderman 2. Really excited to try it out since Spiderman 1 was so fucking good.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    I mean I don't think the pirates needed their permission, but it's a nice gesture at least. Accepting the reality that people will pirate your games makes for much better PR than trying to crack down on it through DRM.

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    [–] 13 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    That's awesome of them! What's their best game? I'll buy a copy on Steam.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago

    I'm pretty sure I was friends with the founder of that studio back in the suprnova.org days when his username was RunsWithScissors and he was a full-blown pirate.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago

    they’ve always tacitly been cool with it. they’ve dropped little hints like this into their games since the 90s.

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