I'm a software engineer by trade but I figured the instance call programming.dev would most likely be run by someone who knew what they were doing when it came to running a lemmy instance and would most likely be the most stable. :P
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Lemmy.world is ran by a pro. Dude runs one of the most used mastodon instances. The fact that Programming.dev is stable while .world is not quite so, is purely due to the amount of users. Get 80k on this instance and you will see what happens..
I mean it's happening already right now. I think, especially right now (reddit migration etc.), it would be better to get a really beefy server until the dust settles, and then adjust the hardware accordingly with a little bit of room for more load in the future.
I don't think the scale of what is happening at lemmy.world resembles what is happening on programming.dev. lemmy.world has 82k users. programming.dev has 4.4k. Hopefully more general instances are created, because it seems like people general instances as opposed instances such as mander.xyz and programming.dev. The beauty of decentralization is not being used to its full potential atm, I think.
Maybe I was misunderstood: I mean right now programming.dev seems to have scale issues as well. I'm totally for decentralization, but I think decentralization should happen on a per-topic/community level, so that we don't have gazillion /c/programming communities spread across multiple instances (at least until there is a good solution for somehow grouping communities across instances). And I think one instance should handle at least a few thousand maybe > 100k at least somehow active users (lemmy isn't a p2p network after all...), which I think should be possible right now with a beefy server.
Same reason why I joined.
This is 4D chess right here. I didn’t consider this when signing up.
Same exact boat, and also assumed if there were going to be any difficulties scaling this would probably be the best community able to tackle it lol
Programming.dev with local filter is a good replacement for /r/programming for me. I am loving it here.
And it doesn't have all of the shitty low effort self promotion articles (yet)!
Hang on, I need to plagiarize a guide for setting up React and Redux and put it on my blog and pretend it’s mine for job hopping optimization and internet street cred…
Make sure said guide finds its way to LinkedIn and Medium.com please.
Man, this place definately has the vibe of an old timey BB forum. You recognise people in your replies like you used to. I find that I'm gawking at stats way less and I'm able to just talk to people. Engagement is way less, but maybe that's a good thing.
It's so refreshing. It feels like the old internet
It really does feel like the old web again to a certain extent. I hope this "age of enshittification" leads to a throwback to the old web but I'm not convinced it will happen. I feel like Lemmy (and other federation platforms) are definitely our best shot at it :)
Anyway, happy to be here :)
I would much rather have fewer more engaging conversations than the circus Reddit was. Sure it had more conversation but sometimes that felt more isolating since every comment became transactional noise. Really hoping I can find the sweet spot on Lemmy!
I certainly don't miss every thread turning into bots arguing with each other about politics
You recognise people in your replies like you used to.
This is pretty cool. I'm still active on some older traditional forums, but I love this style of threaded discussions in comment trees here. So much easier to reply to an individual in wall-of-text discussions. I think we'll also start recognizing each other by account birthdays, with a wave of folks all having similar ones in June and July. 📅
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There's a Lemmy frontend that fully emulates a phpBB board. It's kind of amazing.
Seeing this just felt like unlocking a bunch of core memories.
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I would love for someone to explain how the data itself works between instances because my mind was blown that I can view content from Lemmy.World while it is down if I simply log into another instance, like Yiffit. Is the content itself shared across instances?
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Glad you are enjoying it, though to be honest I do hope this grows to be a decently sized programming community. A lot of the threads are quite dead currently.
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Ya know; perfect time to shout out the admins here. Thanks for this little terrific instance. I have an account on BeeHaw, I just never leave here.
No drama, just polls about icons. Easy.
This is my favorite place on the internet.
Happy to be federated with you, good sir.
I never really understood what's appealing about participating in a community with gazillions of users where any attempt to have a conversation is buried under thousands of replies. Not even talking about the amount of trolling or aggressive commenters.
I think smaller places suit me better, and I am grateful that smaller instances like this one have emerged as a result of the latest happenings with Reddit.
I find I like having both.
Smaller communities / more quiet threads where I really participate and get in a conversation with people. Other times I just like having a lot of different threads with a lot of different information etc.
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I think the fediverse will function the best if everyone is split across many instances. As soon as one or several become dominant, the way they do things becomes the norm, for good or bad. That and the server load of course.
The problem is most people are confused and overwhelmed by all the instance business to begin with.
It's a UX thing. Users can't be expected to read up on all the technical details of instances and the pros and cons of different ones before signing up. I don't know how it'd work exactly, but they really need a nice and simple "sign up" page that they don't need to think about.
Maybe a list of all the decent instances to use - meaning pretty much all instances that are not catered to a specific niche, open to new users and don't have any defederation drama ongoing - and then a global lemmy signup page can just randomly assign new users to one of those instances.
I cannot explain the exact details but I remember during the first great Twitter exodus some people discovered a drawback in the ActivityPup protocol that seems to cause performance issues when very influencial users post on a small/under powered instance.
Because communicating all that stuff to many other instances is more costly than spreading it only to people on the same instance. So technically speaking large instances have a performance advantage and must just scale accordingly to the user number.
Everyone agreed that this need to change in oder to ensure a healthy federated ecosystem but I don't think it was be fixed by now.
Yes, it definitely provides opportunity for bad actors to control Lemmy.
If reddit wanted to they could offer the admins of beehaw, sh.it.just.works, and lemmy.world money for control of the servers and then if accepted defederate the three largest instances from everywhere else, basically killing Lemmy or at least severely hindering it's growth.
I am noticing a lot of comments from lemmy.world communities can't be seen from my other accounts like lemmy.ca or programming.dev.
Aside from that, I think it's nice to be on a smaller instance.
I can't even access the lemmy.world instance. It just always errors out for me.
But I like the idea of smaller servers that specialize in a specific hobby/interest/topic and then all the /c/ communities can be centred around that topic and moderated appropriately. I think it leads to better discussion between people looking for programming topics.
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Programming.dev is a nice home base!
When will the first Lemmy instances permanently shut down again because of high resource usage/costs?
I was thinking if an instance owner cannot afford to keep upgrading servers, it could close its doors to new registrations. This will create a need for more instances and users will be more evenly distributed.
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If anything, this is the month where we'll find out... A lot of medium/large instances have made the jump to dedi servers and keeping those up isn't cheap
yea - same.
lemmy.world is not accessible for me
Same, it's why I made this account. Maybe I should have joined programming.dev, being a software engineer myself lol
I'm reading your comment from world. They were doing upgrades earlier which may be why you couldn't get in.
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I’ve migrated from a tiny one to this one, I don’t know why, but I always gravitate towards the smaller communities.
Runs smooth here too :)
^Edit:^ ^typo^
This is the way (in the fediverse)
Yep, though federation syncing is really slowing down. This post from [email protected] is at 44 comments from programming.dev but 112 comments on the beehaw instance.
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