CPUSA 32nd Convention Main Report: Forward Together! (www.youtube.com)

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Hell yeah!

Watch the whole clip, everyone!

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[-] Spike@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago

Well this is awkward

[-] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

how could comprador party USA do this

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

What about it?

I don't mind, tbh.

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 43 points 2 years ago

You don't mind that CPUSA supports genocide and is telling their members to also actively support genocide? For real?

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

I don't think the CPUSA said that.

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

Did you read the link? Does the party co chair not represent the party?

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

He is indeed a representative of the party.

I don't think he said that we should support a genocide. I've talked with him a few times. He is very much against the genocide.

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago

Then why did he say to support the guy who is funding and supporting the genocide? Why did he condemn the victims of the genocide?

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

He did not condemn the victims of the genocide. We are anti-genocide, especially against the genocide of the Palestinians.

And Joe Sims does not support Biden. He is trying to "block" Trump and prevent another Reagan, which he lived through.

We've actually been gaining new applications since the start of the convention.

I hope that you will at least consider the other side of the story here.

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago

He is trying to "block" Trump and prevent another Reagan, which he lived through.

Reagan is literally to Biden's left on the genocide. Reagan actually picked up the phone, told the Israelis they were conducting a holocaust, and they stopped.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

I don't think Biden has full control over the Israelis in this case, though he could do much more than what he's doing, but I think that Trump would just double-down on the genocide and make it harder to organize in the United States with Project 2025.

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago

I'm sorry, this is a dodge. You defended Sims by claiming he's trying to prevent Reagan, who did more with one single phone call than Joe Biden has done in nine months of murder. Reagan would be an improvement over Biden as regards Gaza, full stop.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

I assure you it's not a dodge.

Reagan is dead and Trump would be worse than Biden, I feel. I already live in a red state. It is much worse than when it was blue. Glenn Youngkin is ever worse than Trump.

Trump would be like Reagan in that he would herald another conservative "revolution" in his midst.

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago

So you're endorsing a vote for Biden, is that correct?

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

I am not.

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

Then please thread the needle for me here. You say Trump would be worse than Biden, and you consider preventing Trump to be of the highest importance. How does that inform actions?

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

I think it's up to the people to decide. I'll vote for Claudia de la Cruz, as I've said elsewhere.

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

I think if your primary intent is to prevent Trump, voting third party does not make rational sense.

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[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I know you're kind of busy with other things, but this all still bothers me quite a lot. Of course the people decide, they always do, but it is the job of the vanguard party to try to lead them to the best decision. Saying "Oops, vote as you will" is tailism, it is failing to lead, and what they are actually saying, "Vote to stop Trump getting elected" is overtly reactionary because anyone with two brain cells understands this to be a direction to vote for Biden. This unconditional support of the Democratic Party is in service of the maintenance of neoliberalism, no matter how nice you think the guy's speeches are

Edit: Just to avoid spamming you:

Trump will do the genocide as well and probably double-down

You and every liberal says this, but how do you justify it? How can you say Trump will do more when Biden already sends tens of billions of "lethal aid" to Israel? You're just assuming that if Biden sends X, Trump will send 2X, but I have never seen any substantiation for this claim even though liberals constantly make it.

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[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If you were anti genocide then why would you support the guy doing the genocide?

Also you clearly didn't even read the linked article where the dude blames the Palestinians for what's going on right now.

Also I am not going to try to block Trump at the cost of THE ENTIRE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. Sure we shouldn't want Trump to be president but more than that I don't want to support am ongoing genocide.

I understand pragmatism I really do but you absolutely need to check yourself when your pragmatism comes at the cost of AN ENTIRE ETHNIC GROUP