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[–] 139 points 2 years ago (29 children)

TIL that there's an allowed 20% margin of error in accuracy per the FDA.

That seems way bigger than it needs to be ...

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  • [–] 79 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    We can't even measure calories accurately, never mind predicting how much your specific body will actually absorb. Maybe we could be more accurate with vitamins and stuff, but I dunno.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    The only way to get an accurate reading on calorie count is to burn it. 1 kilocalorie (nutritional calorie) can increase the temperature of 1kg of water by 1 C°

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    But burning isn't how your body utilizes the calories. Some things burn just fine yet are entirely useless as a (human) food source, like wood. This complicates things.

    For instance, we still don't know if our bodies can actually use ethanol (drinking alcohol) as a fuel source. Is that vodka shot adding to your daily calorie intake?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Sure, but that is measuring calorie content, not what your body can absorb

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    What? Calorie is a perfectly accurate method of measurement. Just because your body might absorb more or less than the next person doesn't change the amount of calories in a food.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Measuring calories in food is not accurate. Measuring calories by burning fuel is, but that's not how we use food.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Not to mention, even if you can accurately measure calories in a specific serving, companies produce thousands and thousands of servings per day. They can't accurately measure all of them. And ironically, the more 'natural' the food is, the less accurately they can measure the nutritional value: protein paste is going to be a lot more predictable than pasture-raised chickens.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago

    For highly processed foods, I agree.

    But for relatively unprocessed foods, seems completely reasonable to me at first glance. The relative sugar content of, say, an apple, is dependent on all sorts of parameters (sun, water, soil...). The gluten content of wheat, iron content of vegetables, all of these things are variable. The more "natural" a food is, the higher the variability (as opposed to, say, artificial candy


    that should be pretty uniform).

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Why doesn’t the FDA require companies to put a range instead of an exact number then?

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Actual reason? Not sure because I wasn't around for the comment period.

    Likely reason? People are terrible at making decisions based on ranges or anything more complex than a single number. They aren't even that good at a single number.

    Since mixed things like trail mix can have some variety in ratio from bag to bag, going with an average and some variance means having some kind of flexibility. Then there are vegetables and other plants that can vary wildly too.

    But what about something like gummy bears where the whole thing is very consistent? Can't have different rules for different foods, because companies will tie the whole thing up in court.

    So the end result is a rule that allows flexibility for the things that actually need it that is also applied to everything else for simplicity.

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  • [+] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)
  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    And that limit wouldn't be possible to be zero. We don't live in a sterile vacuum so I'm good with it

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    We don't live in a sterile vacuum

    Speak for yourself, buddy!

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  • [–] 77 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    There are these chicken bites that advertise “high in protein!” on the pack, then you look and see it’s 9 grams…

    Like, how do you make chicken bites have only 9 grams of protein??

    They’re actively trying to remove protein from the chicken to make it that low.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

    Moat likely it is either breading or fillers that means there is less chicken than you would expect.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I haven't seen a moat in at least the past 100 years, so I'd say no, moat not likely.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    I haven't seen a moat in at least the last 100 years

    This is a you problem pal. I personally have a moat defense system installed around my home and also around each individual room within the home with draw bridges for isolation in case of emergency. Safety is just common sense.

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  • [+] 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The same goes for eu food labels.

    It makes sense though. Say you claim there's 10g per 100g of something in your product. Any random scoop of 100g is not always equal. The 20% range means that any random scoop of 100grams must contain between 12 and 8 grams of something.

    Due to personell shortages, this will obviously not be tested enough. But ideally it is and when an average of a dundred tests comes out at something other that 10grams per 100 gram, than they'll have to change it. I gues... I'm don't know the procedures.

    https://food.ec.europa.eu/document/download/3eb7952a-43b8-4c6a-8091-349ea707a9a7_en?filename=labelling_nutrition-vitamins_minerals-guidance_tolerances_1212_en.pdf

    (Tolerancetable on page 7)

    Here's an the eu regulation on food labels. Vitamins and minerals even have a lowerbound of 50 % and an upperboud of 35% and 45% respectively.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Statistically, it will average out, unless they use the margin to actively use cheaper ingredients

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  • [+] 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    I don't know if people look that closely at the nutritional values that it if worth it to manipulate them for advertising. I think the bigger effect is that they don't have to quality check that hard and can have a little more of this or that. Producing consistently is hard. But maybe it's a little bit of both.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    And this is another reason why avoiding packaged food is best.

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