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As always, please ensure you stop your Jellyfin server and take a full backup before upgrading!

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

As always, please ensure you stop your Jellyfin server and take a full backup before upgrading!

Now, if only there was a simple, built-in way to backup/export and restore/import all settings and other data, so that all platforms could do this easily, without having to search the internet for which folders to back up...

FYI, this is the best we have atm (which is pretty terrible). Please correct me if there is a better way:

How to backup a JF instance?

Jellyfin Docs: Migrating

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I run JF in a docker container, and although I don't have backups of my config files yet (because I don't really care about setting up from scratch if need be), it would be trivial to simply backup the mounted config volumes. Makes upgrading safe and easy, too.

That's probably how I would recommend going about this, personally.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Yes, it works that easy. I had to move hard drives, last time I did that without docker somehow it didn't recognize the library, might have been a mistake from my end though.

Now I did it again just a few weeks ago with a docker setup, all folders are on the hard drive. Could just mirror the drive, set it up at same mount point and there was no difference in the library, just worked.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Oh, if only there was real database support like Mariadb or Postgres...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

datab

Theoretically, support for that could be coming... Emby (where Jellyfin is based on) always used their own layer for interacting with a SQLite database. All that custom made logic is currently being swapped out for EF Core. EF Core is a DotNet library for interacting with databases and EFCore that also supports MySQL, PostgreSQL, SQL Server besides SQLite.

So my guess is that, once all that work is completed, support of other database can be added.

For a little bit of context. I am currently running Jellyfin on Btrfs and there is quite a performance impact due to CoW. If 2 clients decide to browse the libraries, both clients grind to a near standstill with regards to being able to see things. So I am following this work with quite some interest.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I am currently running Jellyfin on Btrfs and there is quite a performance impact due to CoW. If 2 clients decide to browse the libraries, both clients grind to a near standstill with regards to being able to see things.

CoW is not recommended for databases, all DB servers advise for turning it off for the actual database. You'll run into the same issue with a dedicated database if you leave CoW on I guess. You could also disable CoW for jellyfin's database right now and performance should increase.

I also follow the progress of a dedicated DB, but on the other hand I don't know how much sense it makes architecturally. The likeliness that you have multiple jellyfin server instances access the same database is low - after all, there is info very specific to the server in there like the file path. Just migration is already not easy, how likely is sharing the database live? And if each database is specific to an instance - why not use SQLite (like it's done right now) and allow for more specific parameter tuning, like used memory and the like?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

That's my absolute #1 wish for jf. I'm sure it's hard work and people are on it, it excites me to think about

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I'm surprised at the lack of enhancement request/PR addressing this.I really want to dust off my C# and try but I'm kinda scared that the reason it isn't yet a thing is because it's a mess to implement.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This has been discussed before and you might be right.

Jellyfin Forum

Github

Python Backup Script (Good luck if you're not a developer)

... and so forth. No good answers so far.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Based on some comments in recent PRs for requested features that seem to have gone nowhere, the devs are trying not to overly complicate the project at the moment with other people's code that they'd have to support, and instead leaving certain requests to be handled in some grand refactoring they're working on.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

If you run it on a container, it should be enough to just make a copy of the set up volumes, right? (with permissions and all the metadata kept of course)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I believe they're suggesting just doing a full backup up of your system/Docker container. Which isn't ideal, but I think they're trusting people who can run a Jellyfin server to be able to use the scripts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Sure. But what if Docker is not available on a machine? What if the import should happen on a Linux machine coming from Windows? What if I want to sync two installations on different OSs?

I know it's all doable, but not easy, let alone foolproof. It's so easy to install, but genuinely not easy to keep safe without tech knowledge.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Syncing two instances sounds like a fun challenge. I think there's some project to replicate an sqlite db over the network. Similarly, you could use ceph or other distributed storage for the media.

I built something like this for Nextcloud a few years back, fun times.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I have my media on a disk separate from the rest of the VM. I set that disk to not be included in snapshots, then snapshot the VM before upgrades.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I run mine in an LXC container. I just snapshotted it in case of disaster and then ran apt update && apt upgrade.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Thanks devs!

I yolo’d it without a backup (docker). Working great. Like the improvements.

😎

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

LOL, same. I did a docker-compose pull and restarted, came here to look at the release notes, and almost started panicking whether I omitted some important upgrade steps. Turns out everything upgraded smoothly automatically though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Yolod my docker image to lol.

[–] bdonvr 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My ass with it on watchtower update lmao

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Same. Looks like it's updated and running fine, though!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I got the surprise treatment.
Saw the announcement on the telegram channel (I use the app exclusively for notifications by my services) and noticed that my watchtower container already upgraded it :p

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

This is huge!

I can’t believe it’s finally here

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This reminds me…I probably should do a full backup of my server sometime soon.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

Surely it can wait, right? How likely could it possibly be that it breaks when you least expect it?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

Cool. There's a db fail bug elsewhere that I didn't run into thankfully.

I had to switch from ConfusedPolarBear(archived on GitHub now) to this fork for intro skipping. Works great.

I'm still scanning for the new trickplay function but I've been hoping for something like that. It was disabled in the settings by default, plus you have to enable it on a per-library basis, and of course you can either wait for the schedule to start the scan, or start it yourself in scheduled tasks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I thought intro-skipping had been included in Jellyfin now but this doesn't seem to be the case (can't find it in release notes) … Thanks for the tip for the 10.9 plugin 😸

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Dual subtitles!!! That's a game changer for me

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What’s the benefit of this? Is it two subtitles playing at the same time?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Yep. It's really useful for learning a new language

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Now we only need it in the AndroidTV app. Then I'd be 100% happy (basically 95% with the app atm) :)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

When I first set up my jf docker image I left the config and data directories in the docker container instead of pointing them outside. Now when I try to update I lose all my metadata. Is there a way to move those folders before I upgrade? Edit-typos

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

You're just running in docker, so you'd want to make sure you map a local folder into your container (at a different location than they are already!), then get into the container and copy your files to the host's mapped folder. Once that's complete, update your docker to point your local folder to the proper config location and it should keep everything local after you upgrade.

Edit: In my compose, I have this line

/jellyfin/jellyfin-data:/config

so you could map it to :/backup on your first boot, copy /config to /backup, then update your compose to map it to /config and you're good to go!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thanks. This explanation plus the docker cp link helped get this done.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Glad to hear it. I'll be honest, I wasn't aware of that command, I've just always done it the hard way and logged into the console of the container. I have this line in my .bashrc on all my docker hosts:

alias docker-console='docker exec -it "${PWD##*/}" bash'

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I feel like there is a way to copy stuff from docker-volumes to disk and then point docker to the folders on the disk as external volumes, I think I've done that at some point years back, but not sure how to do it exactly.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

day 2 of building my trickplay images... 10.8% done lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

🤘 33.6% here

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Woohoo! I think the fix for iOS audiobooks that I helped (well asked enough questions that someone else then fixed quickly) bring into the world! https://blog.rayberger.org/fixing-jellyfin-ios-audiobook-streaming

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Seems like this is a feature on newest Jellyfin Media Player (1.10.0) and not server itself, but you now have clickable tag and studio properties. Not sure if you could already search for let's say "New Line Cinema", but now you can intuitively filter by these values just by clicking. Great addition.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Run my client mainly on LGTV and iOS iPad.

Do I need to update my LGTV and Jellyfin version? Or is this only server side?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Only Server side and Web Client you get loaded up when you browse from PC

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

A heads up for anyone else having an issue with the android app and the new version with the https server. There is a segment of the nginx config file you will need to remove that was a workaround for version 10.8 that is no longer needed and should be removed. Can't remember which section right now.
Will try to edit this tomorrow.

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