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we fell for the corporate propoganda rule (lemmy.cafe)
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[–] 224 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Any tool that calls itself “open source” and uses proprietary encryption that they refuse to let any neutral third party review, should absolutely not be trusted.

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  • [–] 138 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    It's open standard, not open source

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Wonder if maybe there could be some organization that could fill that need. Independent, or a collection of industry vets, who look through the code and say if it’s safe or not. With the assumption details won’t be leaked or something to protect anything actually proprietary?

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    • [–] 107 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Signal > Matrix/Element > RCS > SMS.

    iMessage isn't in the equation because it only works on a single platform.

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  • [–] 59 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    signal protocol is basically the opposite, open source but the company is hostile to 3rd party client development

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They can't prevent 3rd party apps, so what's the issue?

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    From what I understand, they don't want 3rd party apps to use their servers.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Understandable actually. Server maintenance costs money and if a 3rd party chat app; which significantly has more usage than other forms of social media; is trying to connect to the server, they have to handle that traffic too. Remember, it is not just about data size, but also the sheer volume of connection to handle.

    I think the solution is just P2P with each peer acting as a relay to the other too. The protocol needs to be designed in such a way that no-one in the middle can reply to send false acknowledgement so as to prevent sybil attack or other attack where a malicious actor is a part of the network.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    My point is basically that matrix/element is arguable the much more ethical chat solution because of its openess still with a focus on security.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Right, the rating list is generic, whereas it should be categorized. For example while iMessage is a walled garden, if the list was sorted by ease of use, it should be first, as it’s nearly zero-configuration for the end user and they get encrypted messaging. Matrix would be first on open access (if we weren’t counting SMS), because it’s available on so many platforms and clients. Signal probably wins on security, though I don’t know enough about it to verify that. So on and so forth

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    This is an often repeated piece of misinformation. The developer of gurk-rs, a third party Signal client, has even said this himself. The client presents itself with a completely identifiable name to the Signal servers - the Signal devs can see this and could easily block this client from connecting but they don't. This project has existed for at least 3+ years now.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    There's a few clients for Signal, nobody is preventing developers from creating apps; there's Molly, gurk-rs, Axolotl, Flare, signal-cli, Pidgin (with the Signal plugin.

    The problem is 3rd party clients don't implement all features because it takes a lot of work and they're created/developed by volunteers - just take a look at Matrix and how many clients support all features or even just group end-to-end encryption (E2EE). Last I checked many third party Matrix clients didn't support encrypted group messages, primarily just Element, the reference client built by the matrix developers. So you have the same problem on Signal that you have on Matrix.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Now to convince Grandma to use Signal

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We successfully managed. Good times over here.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Meanwhile I can't even get my boomer mom to switch to Google Messages from Samsung Messages because she'd "have to relearn how to use it." Then she just continues to complain that she can't send messages over WiFi, and that when she sends or receives pictures over SMS they get compressed... 💢

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Matrix/element > signal > xmpp > telegram > RCS > SMS

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    • [–] [S] 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    disclaimer: i barely know what im talking about here so if any of the language in this post is inaccurate feel free to reach out

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    It's correct, although I'm surprised that there isn't even a FOSS implementation of the unencrypted part.

    Hopefully you made this in GIMP

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    impgflip.com, with full love to the community GIMP is ass at making memes

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    This meme is just two images and some text, no offense but you could make this using only ffmpeg if you were sufficiently masochistic

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    yeah i could use a hex editor if i wanted but turns out the fasted app workflow is often the best

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    “Fastest workflow” has no bearing here, nobody gives a shit if a task takes exponential time or linear time when the total time is less than three seconds in both cases. You are acting like you are some prodigal graphics designer when the task at hand is the computer artist equivalent of banging two rocks together.

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  • [–] [S] 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    bro ur getting so antagonistic and for what 😭

    imgflip is purpose-built for the process i am taking. GIMP takes more than 3 seconds to boot up on my device. there is no competition. stop with the toxic behavior and insults. this was a joke. you make the internet miserable.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Rcs isn't a open source but an open standard. Two very different things.

    Open standard: anyone can use the standard but could be proprietary/closed source

    Open source: anyone can edit/review the code and forket it if they want to.

    The issue with RCS currently is that Google won't release the API for it on android and only allows Samsung to use it for their app. Another part is that their encryption is based on signal and released a white paper about it.

    Now it's understandable why people would distrust Google. But apple is currently trying to add e2ee to the open standard (google also tried in the past but failed).

    Mind you the only reason apple is even implementing RCS is because China is forcing them to. Since any new 5g devices must support rcs to be certified in china.

    I hope this helps. Also have a android turtle from the blob!

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm not sure I understand it fully either, but what I do know about this topic is certainly disappointing

    Typical Google fuckery

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    • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    -switches to signal or Matrix-

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    [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    So it isn't locked down on Google-approved devices?

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