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not even gonna read this. terminally unserious topic. what Gazan state. what imperialism could they possibly have the capacity to do. you do not live in reality. you are playing with action figures and calling it politics.

But the article is right when it says that the slogan “Palestine will be free, from the river to the sea” can only signify the ethnic cleansing of the Jewish population in the region between the Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea, “a Nakba in reverse”.

We publish here an exchange of views with T, a contact in Germany, focusing on the mobilisations in support of “Freedom for Palestine”.

I am absolutely not reading this.

Communism is when the government does something (domestic)

Imperialism is when the government does something (international)

P.S. Trotsky has sent in a silly letter. We shall neither print it nor reply to him.

Why even publish this drivel?

This has the same energy of that one left com party saying that the war is happening cause of the Palestinian bourgeoisie.

i hate ultras

leftcoms, 'nuff said.

uh huh please face the wall

Indistinguishable from “ironic” neoliberal trolls

Well Lenin blah blah nothing nothing Lenin I said magic word Lenin....

Palestine doesn't exist and deserves to be trampled on because it is oppressed and not a socialist entity blah blah Religious political (what the fuck do you think is?) Blah Lenin I said Lenin Lenin Lenin.

Let me inject my bullshit pulled out of my ass shit and inject Lenin Lenin Lenin odut of context and without relevance.

So is "T" from Germany a or an AI prompt or a dirty Hasbara?

Infantile depravity that only appeals to the five dumbest leftcoms

The ICC reply (though I like how they do try to reply genuinely and honestly) boils down to "but the palestinian government is/would be capitalist too, so...."

This is the very bad form of class reductionism, the idea that oppression/genocide/etc doesn't matter and isn't imperialism because it's not fundamentally along class lines.

Sure thing, ICC, but I don't think the people of Palestine are in any position to do any revolutions while under the iron thumb of the US and Israel. Nor do I think many people will view communist organisations positively if they sit by, ambivalent about genocide.

I remember back in the day when I thought the funny jokes and memes about leftcoms not wanting to get out of their chairs while they oppose praxis was just an exaggeration, but throughout the years these fuckers have really shown it to be very much true.

Cool, they defend both Ukrainian fascism and now Israeli fascism.

This is why I hate fence straddlers. Choosing to say both sides are bad is an automatic endorsement of u.s imperialism.

This reminds me of the positions of the major left groups in the city I used to live in. When I disagreed with them they were yelling at me that Hamas IS fascist and that settler colonialism is not a useful construct as it "divides workers" and Palestinians and Israelis need to unite, etc. It pisses me off that this chauvinism is so common with the orgs in my area and the West and they talked over anyone who disagreed. They even spoke over Palestinian voices present to tell them that there is a difference between their resistance and "useful" resistance.

Fuck them.

know it's trots from a mile away lol

There is a pattern of trots becoming right wingers not because of any cynicism. It’s just the natural personal growth of a neocon.

Some highlights:

The fight of the oppressed or even the elimination of oppression of Palestinians, Blacks or women – if this would ever be possible under capitalism - does not abolish this very system. On the contrary, as is the case with the Palestinians, we can even expect that their “liberation” from the oppressing Israeli regime, if it ever succeeded at all, would most certainly lead to an oppressive regime like the other Islamic states in the region and thus not to the undermining of capitalism – not to mention its abolition.

the regime in Gaza has also several functions of a bourgeois state: it collects taxes and has an army, a juridical apparatus, detention facilities, intelligence and police personal, etc. It is the Hamas de-facto administration which exercises these state functions and has, since 2005, under the direction of a highly centralised command centre, been able to fire thousands rockets into Israeli territory. There is only one conclusion possible: the war in Gaza is a war between two imperialist states.

But the article is right when it says that the slogan “Palestine will be free, from the river to the sea” can only signify the ethnic cleansing of the Jewish population in the region between the Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea, “a Nakba in reverse”.

In this sense there is indeed no difference between the nationalism of Israel and the nationalism of Palestine: both ideologies are a cover for the drive to war and for the repression of the working class by the bourgeois state.

Imperialism is when war

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