I can empathize that this sucks to go through because I haven't read anything to suggest she had murderous intent, but even accidents have consequences. There have to be penalties for setting up dangerous conditions to make sure that happens as rarely as possible. It's why charges like "involuntary manslaughter" exist.
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While this was technically an accident, I put it in the same league as driving drunk and killing someone. It was preventable by doing the bare minimum of what her job responsibilities were.
I agree and that's why I finished by saying even these situations, where there's no intent, have to be prosecuted and punished. While I empathize with making mistakes (having made my own albeit none nearly so serious) I still think there's a good reason she's headed to prison.
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It's "an accident" in the same way getting shit faced and going for a cross country drive and wrecking is "an accident".
She violated pretty much every safety regulation, and I believe was even getting drunk and shooting the prop guns on set with live bullets. She was definitely shooting them on set, I just don't know if they proved she was doing it while drunk.
A drunk driver doesn't mean to kill anyone either. But most don't say it was just an accident and try to emphasize with the irresponsible sociopath who got someone killed because they thought they knew more than the law.
She wasn't qualified to do a very specific job she was hired specifically to do. The people who hired her are also at fault, but her very actions and incompetence at her duties lead to a shooting and death. You don't just shrug and say oops, accidents happen if a certified electrician or utility worker messes up so badly they burn your house down.
People do more time for growing medicinal fungus than she will for manslaughter .
And she will do more time in prison for manslaughter then every rich person who has committed manslaughter and never see a day behind bars.
Intent is part of the law. Yours was a crime committed with intent, her's was a crime committed by negligence.
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Your honor, when I took on 'Rust,' I was young and naive. But I took my job as seriously as I knew how to,"
Why say this?
She really only had ONE job. She failed.
Hire scabs, get scabs results.
This wasn't a scab hire, it was a nepotism hire.
Nobody seems to be blaming the producer of the movie for hiring these people. The producer is also the man who shot the gun
If I hire an accountant to do my taxes, and the IRS comes after me for not having done them correctly, I would expect the accountant to be at fault.
Plus they ARE going after Baldwin, not sure where it's at right now but they definitely are.
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Fault can be shared. If you hire a bad accountant and they did your taxes wrong, you still hired them and it is your taxes. The accountant may be at fault but you can be too.
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Oh, which one?
Because there were six producers on the set, and the DA discovered that the celebrity producer you're mad about didn't seem to actually have any duties.
This is very, very surprising to people that know how hard working your average celebrity producer is.
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The producer is rich and famous.
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a fall guy to the producers who brought a bunch of non union workers on set during a strike. obviously she fucked up, but this isn't just on her, she was at work.
This is a dumb take. Her only job was to make sure the weapons are safe, and she had live ammo on set. The producers may share some of the blame with her, but she's no fall guy.
She was also supposedly complaining about the judge and jury on her recorded phone calls. The judge sounded incandescent with rage while sentencing her to the maximum of 18 months. In another jurisdiction manslaughter could land you many years in prison.
She additionally lacked remorse. She was feeling sorry for herself and how this conviction would adversely affect her own modeling career.
I think 18 months was very little all things considered.
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While what you said is factual, this also was the very specific reason she was brought to the set: the safe and professional handling of firearms and firearm analogous props. Her entire job was to ensure no one got shot. 18 months for manslaughter is a slap on the wrist.
That's fine. They need to prosecute the producers as well.
Oh absolutely, this was a complete failure from top to bottom on responsibilities and best practices. The level of incompetence on display here is at a level where I would hesitate to let this team manage a bake sale, let alone run around with dead weapons to try and make their little picture seem cool.
Wait, so what's the role of an armorer on set?
They are a subsection of Props which covers everything an actor holds or interacts with during a scene (minus things like furniture) and some things worn during a scene like jewelry (some overlap with costume dept there so not exclusively everything is props)
Armorer specifically deals with the sourcing and safe handling of weapons and armor. Depending on where you are all Props people need to be licenced to handle weapons wherever licencing programs exist so all props people can do the most basic armorer tasks but generally speaking once you stop dealing with rubber toy look-alikes and airsoft weapons most shows will upgrade to an armorer who has specialized knowledge to handle loading, proper storage and instruction on proper handling and guidance.
Thanks! I don't know much about filmmaking.
I did some googling and it seems like she should've been considered too inexperienced for the job, from what I read, westerns are particularly difficult due to the amount of guns on set and should've been supported by a crew of multiple armorers?
She's also simultaneously facing charges of concealing firearms to get them past a bouncer then showing off that she snuck a gun in on social media, so idk how much sympathy I have for her...
Oh... Have no sympathy. This production absolutely should have had more armourers than it did which is one of many reasons why every slimeball Producer deserves to be fined on the thing. She herself was so far off best practice she might as well have been on the moon so the liability pie has a slice for everyone involved.
I have worked shows like this and there's a certain attitude Production takes where they tend to actively pick and reward people they know will cut corners because doing things slapdash is cheaper and saves them money long term. I have my own tales of Production sleeze that could have gone fantastically wrong and ended up with people dead but didn't because of basically just luck.
So she didn't bring live rounds on set and put those live rounds in a prop gun intended for actors in a movie?
50:30 in case anyone just wants the sentencing part, but the lead up is more rewarding. She doesn't react much to the sentence itself.
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Damn. No one cares that it's wildly irresponsible to give a 24 year old with no experience a job of this magnitude and responsibility?
Mega corp and ultra rich actor found a patsy...
I don't think it's a patsy when the person who was criminally negligent is held accountable.
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She’s the daughter of a famous armorer / sharp shooter. She was raised around that stuff and should’ve known better.
Being raised around firearms doesn’t qualify you to be an armorer. Neither does her parent being one.
What would is if they apprenticed her, or if she had any actual professional experience.
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This wouldn't have happened with a Go armourer, just saying.
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