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The polls are suggesting a huge shift in the electorate. Are they right? | Politico (www.politico.com)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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It’s a significant reversal from recent history: President Joe Biden is struggling with young voters but performing better than most Democrats with older ones.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 months ago (53 children)

It’s a failure of the news and social media. If they read about the massive green initiatives, increased corporate and wealth taxes, ending food supply chain greedflation, advancing equity and racial justice, student loan reimbursement, and housing affordability, they may feel differently.

Instead, they think Trump will “shake up the system.” All he did with his last term was roll back safety and environmental regulations on business, and implement a tax break that expired after four years for the low and middle class but remains intact for the wealthy today.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (10 children)

Teenagers aren’t well known for having landline phones and/or answering calls from unknown numbers.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Even if this were an accurate take on how modern polls were conducted, teenagers not responding to the pollster doesn't equate to fewer teenagers being willing to vote for Biden. You have to have actual responses to determine that.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)

When you do something right, it makes headlines for an hour. When something bad happens, the "liberal" news spends months talking about the Biden administration is failing while somehow never talking about the root cause.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, the problem currently is a terrorist attack has been responded to with genocide and that's still ongoing.

That shouldn't be out of the news cycle, or even the top story spot.

Anything to pressure the president to actually take action to hault a genocide is worth doing. The threat he might lose an election due to low turn out is real. He can change that before November but the longer he fails to take action, the fewer voters will be willing to look past his delay and inaction.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I agree in theory. But here's the problem. We need to pressure the public first. Otherwise it's a lose-lose for Biden. We need the public to demand it like they demanded Ukraine support. Not just from the activists and progressives, but from the centrists and low-information voters. If you don't do that, then his best bet is to keep supporting Israel like it's a surrogate country.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago

It seems the billions the billionaire foundation networks have spent to shift the country right and create a network of friendly legislatures to obstruct any progressive policy has paid off. Please read the book “Dark Money” by Jane Mayer to understand how truly deep this well coordinated problem goes.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago

Television station creates panic, suggest you keep watching TV to stay on top of it.

Tune in at 11 for more

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Headline law say no

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

I feel like polls are on the level of rolling a d20 at this point.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

I would guess actual polling error or “polling error” based on the fact that campaigning really hasn’t started in earnest. (Biden is still hiring senior staff in Pennsylvania and Trump hasn’t even opened an office there yet.) We should probably expect polling to be all over the place before late September or so, especially with cross-tabs and the tiny sample sizes. Barely anyone is spending the money for high quality polls yet (except maybe the campaigns but they don’t release those).

It’s obvious that there’s real anger about the Gaza war crimes and inflation (which no president controls but people think they do). But a lot of young people are genuinely undecided. If it’s your first or second presidential election, you inevitably make your mind up later than if you already have a party.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It passes the smell test. Maybe the Democrats should consider taking positions that represent the people.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Are they closer than the positions the GOP offers?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

"Hey, we're less awful than the GOP. vote for us"

Is a reason to not vote for the GOP. However, it is not a reason to vote DNC.

"Hey, we care about you and are taking these steps to help you." is a reason to vote DNC.

Moving to the right because it's still less-far-right is going to lose votes. it's that simple.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

You'd think they would have figured this out after 2016 yet here we are again in the exact same position for the third time in a row...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Democrat positions:

Tax increase for over 400k earners
Medicaid/care expansion
Food for school kids
Access to abortion
support for women's health services
Stronger SEC
Clean energy (at least more than the other)
Student loan forgiveness
Separate church and state
DEI
Gun laws
Rights for animals
Eliminating cash bail
Programs for drug abuse
Programs for homeless
Trans healthcare services
Gay marriage
NATO
Large subsidies for rural broadband
Investment in infrastructure
Environmental protection
Help Ukraine get back it's country
Unfortunately, bombs for Israel and no accountability
Some level of fealty to corporate world

Republican positions:

Drill baby drill
No abortion
No access to contraception
Christian nation
No diversity or inclusion of minorities
Guns show at the school
Fuck the poor, shoulda pulled up bootstraps
Fuck the homeless, go to jail
Minorities are the problem
Free speech for hate
Gay conversion therapy
Back out of NATO
Fill the privatized prisons with the have-nots
Child labor/marriage
Privatize Medicare/SS
Remove social nets for the poor
Remove EPA
Tax system/market rules designed by private corp
Wipe Palestine off the map
Forfit Ukraine to Russia

So how does that line up for ya both sides bullshit

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not saying dems don’t have a better agenda.

(Though I do say they’re incapable or unwilling of doing enough for that agenda,)

The reality is, however, the argument in lemmy comments is rarely this. It’s “Trump bad you dipshit trump supporter”.

As for the aside up above… republicans are definitely winning the long game because democrats are not willing to pull the needle further left, just fight to keep it from going much further right.