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[+] 273 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (61 children)
  • [–] 97 points 2 years ago* (43 children)

    I'm just perplexed how kids are still religious in 2024 with vast amount of free information out there. I thought this cult bullshit was about to end with my generation when we got free, unrestricted information exchange invented.

    I guess you can't fix irrationality with rationality huh

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago* (10 children)

    From my perspective its because people won't change their beliefs unless they stop benefiting the believer. For people who live in a religious community, there church's sunday social event is enjoyable, there friends are all religious, there denomination provides a entire moral framework and worldview they don't even need to think about. Confirmation bias plays a major role in preventing alternate thought to block out other worldviews.

    Only when someone does not gain much benefit from there religion or has a important part of there religion proven wrong, can they process alternative ideologies and either switch to a more useful denomination or stop believing entirely.

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    [+] 168 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)
  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago

    This is my exact story to a "t". I grew up in a heavily conservative household, joined the military as a conservative, and 15 years later I'm pretty fucking blue.

    I think it's a combination of a few things that does it to us more often than not:

    1 - Exposure to people from all walks of life/escaping your "bubble" 2 - Access to tax payer funded social programs that the rest of America desperately fucking needs and going "Why can't taxes do this for EVERYONE!?" 3 - If you've been deployed to certain sections of the world, you see first-hand what unfettered religious extremism can potentially do to a country.

    I'm happy to say, that at least for the Air Force, I've run into far, far more Active Duty Dems/Libs than I have any Repubs. Now, when the retired veteran GS employees come in, it's a completely different story. My whole circle save one is fairly left-leaning, and the one who isnt is...fucking weird/all over the place on his stances.

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    [–] 99 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's embarrassing for everyone gen x and after. It's especially disappointing to see in gen z

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    [–] 82 points 2 years ago (22 children)

    For men, a lot of it has to do with personal frustration and several "sources" or "influencers" pointing to communism, cultural marxism, feminism, etc, as the culprits of everything bad going on. Attacking a scapegoat you've been led to believe is "the reason" you can't get a job or a girlfriend is easy and emotionally satisfying.

    Thinking, rationalizing and realizing how and why shit's fucked up, down, left and right doesn't fill you with good vibes.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    If you want an honest answer, it's that young boys are feeling left behind, and in many ways they are right. This is a longer video (~30min) but it seems in line with much of what I've been seeing, that the boys are not alright.

    Essentially, as any system begins to give equality to all, it will appear as a loss for those who used to solely benefit from it. That said this is still something to take seriously.

    The gender gap is reversed in several areas: in education girls do better than boys. There are more women in university than men. Real wealth of women has been rising while in many demographics (especially poor young men of color) wealth has been decreasing. This is not a 0 sum game, so these are real concerns. 75% of suicides are men, and in their notes it is common to see words like "useless" "unwanted" and "worthless". They feel that the world is leaving them behind.

    This trend is not happening to those in the elite class- that is still very much male dominated, however for many poor men without college degrees, their lives are no longer looking like what they were raised to expect. That same demographic is who you are more likely to see at a trump rally.

    This is fertile ground for people like Tucker Carlson and Andrew Tate to bring these young men into their world view that women are taking away their futures.

    This is where I would say men who are in places of being role models (teachers, mentors, fathers, coaches, pastors, etc...) need to come in and show that there is a new reality for men and that it's not only okay, it's better. Being a stay at home dad can be freeing as you may be able to pursue other interests. Showing what leadership is is important, but also showing how to work as a team and under the leadership of a woman is important too and can be fulfilling.

    I'm an educator, and one thing I think about is that I want to teach the girls that men are not to be feared, and to teach the boys not to be men to be afraid of. There is a better future ahead, but only if we take action and support the next generation of boys as well as girls. Without this support, we are handing a large portion of disaffected youth to a toxic mindset that will have horrible consequences.

    Oddly enough, I could see one of these boys looking at this post and thinking "the left doesn't care about me, so why would I care about them?"

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    cultural marxism

    As someone who lost a friend to that rabbit hole, I really think we should put that far right conspiracy theory between quotation marks when named alongside things that actually exist. Communism and feminism are real (even if they are perceived as demonic by these people, they still at least exist). "Cultural marxism" doesn't even have entity, it's just bullshit entirely made up by the usual grifters

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    [–] 78 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    To be fair if you’re anything past Boomer, at this point you should be too embarrassed to vote for any GOP candidate. When the party decided to support Trump—a guy with proven sexual assault charges, pending fraud charges, pending classified document charges, a penchant for insurrection that he happily acknowledges, and more and more video surfacing of him unable to be coherent, hopefully most everyone with any connection to reality has realized it’s time to kick him and the GOP to the curb.

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  • [–] 68 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    A lot of our current brand of conservatism appeals to people's notion of unfairness. People taking things from them. They have been told over and over that liberals are lazy and want to take things from them.

    Remember that these are young people who don't have a lot of experiences in adult life, but have experienced basic, uncomplicated unfairness. Fighting against that simple, unnuanced unfairness appeals to them.

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    [–] 54 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's tough being young. Jobs don't pay what they used to. Rent costs too much. Even the food is a struggle.

    You know who is the blame for this?

    Brown people.

    This message is brought to you by the conservative party of your country. They're all the fucking same.

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    [–] 49 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I dunno but for some reason they're on this platform too (dunno why all things considered). Go ask them.

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  • [–] 49 points 2 years ago*

    Indoctrination, propaganda, alt-right playbook recruitment through targeting the disaffected... these aren't young people who've turned to conservatism, they've been actively targeted by right wing factions in order to bolster their position.

    Edit: Oh, and also Reagan era neo-liberals are the fucking worst and when they shit on progressives and their ideas, they basically push away people who would otherwise be politically left leaning.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    If they're wealthy they usually vote Tory, that's one reason for sure.

    We'll get the conservatives out of government soon, but I don't think Labour are much better, just two sides of the same coin, unfortunately.

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    [–] 38 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    As progressive values become more mainstream being an edgy conservative becomes a form of counter culture.

    This shows in those god awful conservative memes people make that say shit like "Im not like other girls, I dress modestly, dont drink or do drugs and the only man I get on my knees for is JEsus" type shit. or the male equivalent where they talk about how theyre the only real man left in a world where people drink soy lattes and dont beat their kids.

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    [–] 33 points 2 years ago (77 children)

    i'm 24 and a proud conservative: i want to replace all highways with railways and interurban tramways, return to having small dense cities surrounded by lively rurality, dissolve large corporations and replace them with small local businesses, and bring back that thing where we went "hey the slightly insane guy who never works is living in a shack that barely qualifies as shelter, let's build him a new cottage so he has a proper place to live, because everyone has a fundamental right to housing no matter what."

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  • [–] 49 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    I don't understand how those world views can identify and (you didn't say this, so hopefully not) vote conservative in US these days

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    what you just said means you are not a conservative...

    a conservative would want to keep the highway system the way it is, take more money away from its maintenance bugdet if anything. a conservative would never want to dissolve large businesses. a conservative would not give a crap about what you're using as shelter, and certainly wouldn't believe that access to housing is a basic human right.

    You're a lot more left than you realize. you might even be socialist. do you believe that the workers of a company should be given the profit that company enjoys, or should it all go to the shirts at the top? Do you believe that the working class should never be disarmed, and any attempt to disarm the working class should be disrupted?

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    You said you are a proud conservative and then proceeded to list off things that are completely antithetical to it. I am so confused. Everything you said is progressive, socialist, leftist, not at all conservative. Conservatives want things to stay as they are, to not progress, to not change. I.E. This system is working (for me) so let's keep it. Progressives say things aren't working (for everyone) so we should attempt to make it better for us all instead of a few people having everything and most people having little.

    I mean this in the kindest most supportive way possible. You may want to do some introspection and comparisons with what you want to happen and what the political parties are pushing for. You may find you are anything but conservative or you may find you actually are conservative and you really don't want those things you said.

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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Biggest reason I see is religious indoctrination.

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    [–] 29 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    I can remember when being conservative meant you believed we had a calling to be stewards of creation

    LOL good times

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Do not underestimate the power of algorithms. I feel like instagram or YouTube are constantly trying to pull me back into the far right rabbit hole.

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Grifting is pretty profitable these days

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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I'm a 80s conservative. Which makes me a 2024 ANTIFA.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    The 80s was the Reagan administration 🙄

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago* (6 children)

    It's hard to describe personal politics prior to 2000. It was easy to be a sane conservative in the 80s. There was obviously shady shit going on behind the scenes. But outwardly the conservative movement mostly espoused mainstream thought at the time.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    I see that, but it's hard not to connect the dots between Reagan and Trump; what people voted for then has a direect relationship with what they're voting for now, and it wasn't rare to hear alarm bells being raised back then either. These progressions are not chaotic, unpredictable, or sudden, so it's weird to hear people talk about how normal conservatives used to be just thirty years ago. The window was not so skewed then maybe, but it was being pulled right even then.

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  • [+] 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)
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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Because so many prefer a comfortable lie to an unpleasant truth. They want the world to be what they want it to be

    To hell with reality

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago

    I am always surprised at how little credit is given to the relentless onslaught of radical fascist propaganda over airwaves, in MSM, and online...all of which do their damnedest to reach young people, teens, and even primary school kids. Very few people have any idea how powerful AM radio and Salem Media Group are. These are all the result of the Telecommunications Act of 1996.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    None of you want to face the fact that alt-right campaigns like Gamergate and Qanon has brought a fucktonne of youth over to the cuntservative side. It's going to be a real problem now that they are old enough to vote.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    Because they’re either rich or idiots.

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