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[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (5 children)

If an 80 year old rancher can source parts for DNA, and then clone and breed the resulting animal, and also sell it's semen to other people across the country... Wtf else is going on with cloning no one knows about?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I remember shortly after Dolly was born, everyone was talking about cloning.

Then a few months later China claimed to clone a monkey (it was eventually found to be fake)

But everyone was silent about it after the initial news release. Almost no one was talking about it and most people don't even remember it.

I think this was on purpose to hide the fact that we already have human clones and the first ones are likely 20+ years old now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Primates are much harder to clone than sheep. Here's an interesting article about the 2018 cloning and the 2022 cloning of which news just came out recently. https://bioethicsobservatory.org/2024/02/primate-cloning-a-step-forwards-or-backwards/45931/

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

I'm sure there's nothing to worry about.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'm sure there's nothing to worry about.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

I'm sure there's nothing to worry about.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Certainly sounds like there are lab services out there willing to play things a bit loose. Although I’m guessing you could substitute testicles for every instance of “animal parts” in the article. So more IVF than Jurassic Park. Although “Alternative Animal Ranch” really does inspire an Island of Dr. Moreau vibe.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Wait, how did he clone the sheep? That's a key part that seems to be glossed over.

The man cloned an animal and made a hybrid super sheep and the article just barely mentions the cloning!

It's like if a guy got stopped while riding a motorcycle with a shark over his shoulder, and a news article only mentioned the shark in passing. Explain the shark, please!

Edit: spelling

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

More info here:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/montana-man-pleads-guilty-federal-wildlife-trafficking-charges-part-yearslong-effort-create

He sent them into a lab to get cloned and then implanted the embryos into ewes. He got one pure argali male sheep out of that and then artificially inseminated other ewes with the argali sheep to produce hybrids.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Thanks!

What an inventive way to circumnavigate livestock import laws.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

This man is clearly an evil genius.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Shouldn't even be illegal, bring on the MEGA SHEEP

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Thank you. I knew my people were lurking somewhere about

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Someone is going to go over this law with a fine toothed comb.

Importing endangered animals? Clearly illegal.

Killing endangered animals and bringing in parts? Clearly illegal.

Bringing in endangered animal DNA and making more endangered animals? 🤔

I dunno... I'm not well versed enough in law, ecology, or animal husbandry. It really feels like this is a new area.

Let's take the hunting angle out of it. Say I brought in Siberian Tiger DNA for the express purpose of creating and breeding tigers and hybrids in captivity... wouldn't that just be species preservation?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The problem is that if any get out, they could interbreed with the native bighorn sheep and pollute their gene pool.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I don't think Tigers can breed with sheep

/s

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Yeah, I can't see why they wouldn't be able to do this. As long as you're not abusing and torturing them I don't see a problem. Just make sure the animals don't escape into the wild.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

THIS. IS. FUCKING. AWESOME.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Did you read the article? There's something just a little uncool about genetically modifying animals to be more profitable hunting trophies. Dude can rot for all I care.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

Nah, I have to disagree. Is it completly morally bankrupt? Almost certainly. Is it uncool though? Nah, that is mad-scientist-grade cool as fuck. I will graciously accept y'all's excoriation.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

We do it to the food we eat, whys there a line?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

He smuggled bits of endangered sheep from Europe.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah the way he did it wasn’t the best and if any escapes there’s definitely potentially downsides, but at the same time, the ingenuity is something else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

And entertainment is just as important to a satisfying full life as food is. Once mental health starts declining, so does everything else, even basic health. So it’s arguably even more important, since depression can kill your will to hunt/forage or even eat.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I did indeed read the article

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Felicitations, dear fellow!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

This is how you get Pokemon.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Ignore the poor edit job.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago