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submitted 3 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

I originally summarized my observations replying to Blaze in a different thread

I figured I'd include them here because in case anyone wants to correct my interpretation.

I had asked how he feels about posting in a com alongside people who are calling other users 'removed roaches'

He brought up that Hexbear users using the word roaches to refer to people too, my response:


From that link pretty much all of the usage is talking about the literal insect, or talking about reactionaries/fascists using it to refer to muslims, immigrants and other 'undesirables'.

Out of the handful of remaining uses, it's stuff like in the hexbear thread on this meanwhileongrad thread:

This is the most questionable usage I found, and it's referring to fash/reactionaries.

That's not the main point though, the bigger issue was getting called a 'removed' that's pretty much a red flag that someone's a cryptofash.

citing db0 on this one:

compare the use of the term on shit vs on hexbear:

While looking I found this one on hexbear from 5 years ago, almost 90 upvotes shitting on stalin for criminalizing homosexuality, and quoting him calling someone removed. I read this as extremely critical of Stalin:

All the usage on hexbear I see is either self-deprecating or discussing (negatively) about people using the term.

Vaush this year defended the idea that he is allowed to call trans people shit like "subhuman, removed, mentally ill, leeching off society" if they step out of line and oppose him or his breadtube friends.

meanwhile on meanwhile on grad:

My experience on lemmy is vastly improved after blocking lemmygrad, lemmy.ml, hexbear, beehaw, and pawb. Wiped out vast swathes of removed from my feed.

hmmm, calling people removed and complaining about commies, progressives and furries. thonk

Goat seems fine with replies calling people he doesn't like removed:

more examples:

Wouldn’t be surprised to hear they are, but nonetheless the chapo trap house removed that make up hexbear and grad are real. They do believe the dumb shit they say. It can’t all just be explained away with CCP and FSB boogeymen unfortunately, that would honestly be better imo. I’m sure some of it is, but mostly it’s people crazy enough to believe the stupid bullshit they spout.

On the shit main community someone deleted their posts after getting called out for this behavior, this is a known issue:

'removed tankie roaches'

site admin calls it out, entirely downvoted lol

Like you might think I'm being melodramatic, but I really don't see how meanwhileongrad isn't a nazi bar.

As I said, I don’t have a dog in this fight, it seems indeed bad to have such comments on both sides.

I really hope you re-assess both sides, because they are not equivalent.

I understand, there's plenty of problematic posters to go around, the issue I have is that it's normalized calling an instance which is overwhelmingly trans and queer 'removed', that's a major red flag, and it's behavior like that which was why hexbear defederated shit in the first place.

sh.it doesn't seem to have improved in that time


As a bonus here's some fun clips from this latest two minutes hate thread:

Goat has been really worked up lately, I arrived after the defederation happened, but I read the hexbear threads related to this not long after I started lemmy and his interpretation of events is comically conspiratorial.

The chronology was that hexbear had been off doing its own thing for like 3 years, and only re-merged with lemmy due to the technical issues maintaining a separate fork. That happened to coincide with the major reddit wave, correct me if I'm wrong but nobody here is taking orders from dessalines, right?

It looks like Hexbear tried to broadly fedarate, some users were looking forward to it, but others apprehensive and preferring to keep everyone else out. Once it became more clear how toxic and unmoderated most of the fediverse was, they made the decision to defederate.

Also is there a discord? The only matrix groups I'm aware of are for mods and the trans space. People should probably be aware that there's potentially nazi trolls hanging out there.

One last one for the road, goat upvote policing and accusing db0 of being pro-uygher genocide.


so what's the official hexbear line on calling people removed or cockroaches?

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[-] [email protected] 73 points 3 weeks ago

db0 getting called a tankie is hilarious

[-] [email protected] 48 points 3 weeks ago

I love when this happens. If you call everyone and everything a tankie, you're gonna find yourself in the company of actual reactionaries who aren't gonna see you as one of the good leftists.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago

Huh, why are there all these white supremacists and KKK members at the anti-communist rally today??

[-] [email protected] 47 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yea lmao, didn't have that on my bingo card

I did call that this would eventually happen, though, which is pretty funny.

[-] [email protected] 47 points 3 weeks ago

"Tankie is just 'wokism' for liberals" takes another W.

[-] [email protected] 42 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The ratchet wheel of respectable centrism turns ever hitlerward

[-] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] [email protected] 54 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Ahh yes the uighur genocide that has literally zero deaths and literally any uighur you actually speak to from the region will tell you is complete nonsense.

Meanwhile, this same person will tell you that Gaza is not a genocide and that it's very complicated.

This whole history post is just complete nonsense lmao. There's almost nothing to say about it, this person has made all of this post up.

These people will absolutely just knowingly lie outright, and invent a whole new reality then get other people to repeat it as fact.

The real history is more like:

  1. Hexbear was a different fork to lemmy and couldn't be federated because of it. Took forever to re-merge.
  2. When Hexbear remerged, Lemmyworld had a crash out, specifically one admin there, and defederated Hexbear claiming it was for "hatespeech" (total bs)
  3. Others slowly defederated hexbear too after countless people believed random nonsense being levelled at the instance without evidence. If you just post "Tankies believe xyz" people will believe and upvote that shit regardless of veracity.
  4. SJW is an extremely thinly veiled fash instance and Hexbear defedding it was totally warranted.

That's it. It's pretty boring honestly. Just about the only thing that is true that anyone says about this instance is that we used to sort by active and because we're so much more active at posting than literally anywhere else we would look like a huge coordinated swarm. It was natural activity, just people sorting by activity and popularity on lemmy, but our posting power was so high that it looked like coordinated dogpiling. Also we were kinda always rude to people spouting libshit. That's about the only true thing they say about us. I will not condemn that behaviour though it was always extremely funny.

All of these posts are basically just:

pronouns "Do you condemn ~~hamas~~ Hexbear?"

[-] [email protected] 36 points 3 weeks ago

.world defederated us before we even federated, "preemptively as a last resort."

[-] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago

Ahhh yes. Preemptively as a last resort for non-existent hatespeech on an instance with a hardcoded slur filter.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

and literally any uighur you actually speak to from the region will tell you is complete nonsense.

Sorry, comrade, I have to correct you there. You can talk to a Uyghur Guantanamo Bay interrogator funded by NED-style NGOs and will say it is all real.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yeah there aren't any of those actually living in the region though, and it's real easy to find people that live there on XHS.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago

Of course! I'm just making a joke about Rushan Abbas.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago

These people will absolutely just knowingly lie outright, and invent a whole new reality then get other people to repeat it as fact.

I really struggle to understand this mindset. I think they believe that they are "right" and therefore things likes facts are irrelevant, they can make up a narrative for the "greater good" or somesuch, but I still really struggle to comprehend why they seem so adverse to learning anything or challenging their worldview, to the point that they will coat themselves in lies in order to protect their worldview from reality. I just don't understand this sort of thing at a fundamental level.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago

They have just determined that we are enemies and have absolutely no morals or principles. Anything is justified in fighting the enemy.

They're the same people that think killing civilians is fine if you're fighting terrorists.

The goal is simply to make people believe Hexbear is bad. That's it. Thousands of people on other instances are convinced we are something we are not because the lies take hold and then get repeated ad nauseum by other people who took them as truths. This occurs with other things, like any topic of the soviet union, dprk, china's "genocide", etc etc. It's propaganda that's aimed at a website instead of a state.

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago

We all have this form of liberalism within us. We are all just at different stages of suppressing it, and always imperfectly. Socialists are a bit better at it because we have to constantly self-crit to organize effectively, but of course even that doesn't always happen or happens to different levels of success.

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[-] [email protected] 54 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The longer they not-listening what we have to say, the funnier their lore about us gets, like a game of telephone where everyone involved is General Ripper

[-] [email protected] 35 points 3 weeks ago

Just like on Reddit people eventually peek over the wall and see "well they said hexbear was BAD and it definitely wasn't that, maybe even kinda good?"

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[-] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago

I just observed this when looking into what they had been saying about CSAM; because I was wondering why the piefed dev was routinely lumping in hexbear next to CSAM

Hexbear is mentioned in the PieFed source code, as an initial default value for the defederation list. That list is quite long and includes various instances that have been a source of trolls, CSAM and spam in the past

I go to look back at an old post related to this, and it's someone making up a baseless accusation then getting mad people are responding to it classic

whats the over/under wager that it was retaliation for the recent “h e x b e a r” shit?

in this deleted post someone reading Rimu's comment placing hexbear side by side with CSAM and spam lead them to read into it 'hexbear has a csam problem?!' they did get called out for it, but it shows the effect rhetoric can have on someone reading sloppily.

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[-] [email protected] 46 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I would say since one of the words is auto-removed by our slur filter that speaks for it and dehumanizing language is inappropriate and subject to moderator removal.

Goat is an rdrama user that intentionally copied the username and avatar of a leftist mastodon admin and is 100% cryptofash/rage-baiter for laughs.

The fact that some of the most popular communities on sh.itjust.works are greentext, and NCD in addition to MOG combined with the fact that the instance's most vocal admin, imaqtpie, is a transphobe and racist is further proof of the instance's political bent.

Not compatible with hexbear and it isn't helped that their admin did nothing when one of their users started sending pornagraphic images in DMs to hexbear users is more than enough reason to stay defederated from sh.itjust.works.

When hexbear started we had to fork from lemmy due to the large amount of users overwhelming the software at that time. Due to the large amount of changes and the loss of the hexbear maintainer it took a long time to remerge with upstream lemmy which allowed for federation.

We had a uservote about if we should federate and how, within that post I included messages from any communities that wanted to add to the federation post. One of those was from the news community which was taken as an official hexbear platform. Many admins also point to my comments of my personal beliefs that it is our duty to confront liberalism. I also made some jokes about "unlimited PPB on the lemmyverse" or some other silly things that were taken by other admins as evidence that hexbear is a focused and concerted brigade community.

Why would we organize on discord which is notorious for it's privacy leaks, the only instance that I know uses discord is lemmy.world. Our self-hosted matrix rooms are anemic in activity and are public other than the moderator chat which is 20 people and for discussion of moderation on the site.

I haven't spoken with any of the .ml admins in months and not in any regular capacity. I found the shared admin rooms to be extremally cliquish and were willing to spread blatant lies about hexbear to each other

[-] [email protected] 35 points 3 weeks ago

The fact that some of the most popular communities on sh.itjust.works are greentext, and NCD in addition to MOG combined with the fact that the instance's most vocal admin, imaqtpie, is a transphobe and racist is further proof of the instance's political bent.

I remember (i dont think i post it on c/slop) that the sjw admin made a big post and comments complaining about anti-american bigotry in the lemmyverse

Big funny-clown-hammer energy

[-] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago

Yep, and claimed Russia and China are "pushing the trans issue" in order to stoke anti-US bias... I shit you not.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago

It's like the US complaining that the USSR played up USian racism, and not complaining about the actual racism 🙄

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago

I would say since one of the words is auto-removed by our slur filter that speaks for it and dehumanizing language is inappropriate and subject to moderator removal.

Didn't even realize that was slur filtered here! Incredible how normalized that language is elsewhere.

it isn’t helped that their admin did nothing when one of their users started sending pornagraphic images in DMs to hexbear users is more than enough reason to stay defederated from sh.itjust.works.

gross, can see why they get along

Goat is an rdrama user that intentionally copied the username and avatar of a leftist mastodon admin and is 100% cryptofash/rage-baiter for laughs.

that's fucked up, good lore though; if you have info on that I'd love to see it.

I found the shared admin rooms to be extremally cliquish and were willing to spread blatant lies about hexbear to each other

that tracks with the rest of the general behavior

[-] [email protected] 33 points 3 weeks ago

The only matrix room that existed by the time of federation was the mod chat so, no Goat wasnt in the matrix

[-] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There were also a couple dev chat rooms, but I don't think goat was ever in either of those.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago

All I know is that the Hexbear Discord was indeed filled with tons of crypto fash types and wreckers pretending to be sincere people in hopes of dozing folks.

It's part of why, as an original mod of the discord, I left.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago

Discord does almost always seem to be bad news, is that one still in use?

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[-] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago

A cockroach is a pest insect. It can be used to mean different things, as you note, including literally referring to the pest, being insulting to a person or people, or being racist / dogwhistling. Anticommunists should never be surprised when their comrades-in-arms turn out to be fash, and their use of "[would be removed] roaches" on the other platform is the exact phrasing of internet fascist losers. Like 4chan and Asmongold shit. There are no such cases here because, in addition to filtering the adjective they used, our mods ban fash - unlike the other platform where they not just tolerate, but protect, celebrate, and cater to them.

Blaze is being conspicuously uncritical of the bad faith appeal to Hexbears also using a word. The overall angle they are taking is defensive of the Nazi bar that is meanwhileongrad, as even though they express a personal dislike of the posts, they support these obviously nonsensical defenses of it. Always remember: this person didn't need to post anything at all, let alone a Nazi bar defense.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago

They hate us cause they aint us 💅💅💅

[-] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago

so what's the official hexbear line on calling people removed or cockroaches?

Well, for the first one you can't even post that word here anymore, as it gets removed by our slur filter. I haven't seen any use of "cockroach" to describe people, but it would likely get moderated away quickly.

[-] [email protected] 32 points 3 weeks ago

Just use gusano like a real communist

[-] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago

best i can do is "snow roach" sometimes appearing amid lists of other hardcore slurs like "cracker" and "bleach demon"

[-] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago

i really like cumskin personally, super visceral

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago

Great job on compiling this!

[-] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago

i literally do not think I have EVER seen someone here calling a person a roach

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago

Using animals as an insult is speciesist and should be modded afaic.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago

Calling cops "pig" is offensive to pigs? Good bit.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago

a fair number of vegans, including a number of our users, believe that unironically and put that into practice in real life.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's clear case of Sartre quote about antisemites. Anticommunists are identical.

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