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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Important context: This was an instance of a crowd crush caused by poor crowd control.

edit: action has now been taken against the offending comment :)

(also some of you guys in the comments here have been yoinked by mods too… just be nice? this post was not an invitation to test out your boundaries)

by opening this spoiler you acknowledge that brigading and harrassment are against the ruleslink to post in question: https://lemmy.world/comment/10965360

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[-] [email protected] 91 points 1 year ago

Is expressing atheist beliefs inherently anti-religious?

Seems like a bad cope to me

[-] [email protected] 92 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, but “I may die in a stupid way (but not as stupid as these religious people who were trampled to death because of a dust storm)” is anti-religious.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

I understand your point

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[-] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, please do complain about it in a community that has nothing to do with it!

[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

😊

for those interested i am working on it :) trying to figure something out because i also recognize this is suboptimal

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[-] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago

Damn, this post left out some really crucial context. I assumed the comment was left in response to someone martyring themselves, probably after having killed others in the name of their sky fairy. And in that context I'd have backed them 100% in what they were saying about it.

But yeah, your reply there said it better than anyone could. The comment was completely out of place and inappropriate.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Ooh! What context can I add? Obviously I want to make this post as effective as possible and don’t want to mislead folks but I recognize I have proximity bias.

Thanks :)

[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

I think they're talking about the context of it being a crowd crush.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago
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[-] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Something that always gets me is when people lump in anti-religion with these others. Reglion in any country with freedom of religion is a choice, these other things are not. Someone doesn't choose to be a particular ethnic group. Someone doesn't choose to be disabled. People don't choose to be gay or have gender dysphoria People do choose to believe in things that I think are ridiculous and saying that I cannot call that out is just religious people saying you can't call them out. If you can tell me I am burning in hell because I don't believe in your pie man in the sky then I can tell you that you are stupid for believing in a pie man in the sky and comment on absurd actions that are caused by those beliefs.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

telling someone they are going to burn in hell for their religion/atheism would also be anti-religious and should be treated as such :)

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[-] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Flying Squid told me I had psychosis because I disagreed with their views on religion. They're an asshole.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

That's a stupid thing to say. I recently had an exchange with him and found out he's kind of off his rocker, so I wouldn't sweat it too much if I were you.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Asserting that god exists/doesn't exist isn't anti-atheist/anti-religious, hate against (a)theists is.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

But it is when you call others stupid for having the belief in a god.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I'm not saying he isn't a dick in this thread, but a theist may just as easily concern troll and say, "I just want nonbelievers not to go to hell" and that feels equivalent to me.

No one is being swayed by either of these arguments either way.

The user in question is borderline block material anyway based on the rest of their engagement, and they get uuuuuultra defensive when called out.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

…and that feels equivalent to me.

wholeheartedly agree, and i would call it out just as i did here. :) either way, such a statement is quite offensive and irresponsible behavior to come from a leader of the “world news” community.

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago
[-] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

what if you logged on to the internet and were kind

[-] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

What if you didn’t complain in a totally unrelated community?

[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

imagine posting completely unrelated stuff on 196... who would do that??

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

it’s always a storm to see .world accounts log on and tell me off for being off topic… in 196 of all places😄

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

i know this isn’t a genuine question and you mean this just to clap back and be unkind,

but for those interested i am working on it :) trying to figure something out because i also recognize this is suboptimal

[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If the mod team on this instance is going to be that prescriptive around how religion is mentioned, then they're better off just blanket-banning any mention of it altogether, like on Whirlpool.

If you're a , and in the natural course of discussion people start criticizing ideas that inform 's beliefs and ethics, that's not a personal attack. It's not 'bigotry' on the basis that you disagree. It's not 'trolling' purely because it made you upset.

I'm going to separately post the famous Charlie Hebdo cover in this thread, the one published after Muslim extremists murdered their people over cartoons. If this instance is so straitjacketed by Australia's ridiculous lawmaking in this area that it cannot tolerate such a post, then it's not a forum for adults.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

how the fuck is this an appropriate comment to make in response to someone getting yanked over explicitly saying a specific religion was "made up".

This is not a situation dealing with a critique of "Ideas that inform" this was straight up the statement "Your faith is made up bullshit and people died stupidly because of this made up bullshit"

[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Religions are made up. Most of us would be better off without that bullshit influencing our lives.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

'Anti-religious comment' accurately describes my scenario. Anyone who dislikes the hypothetical critique can simply hit the report button and it will get wiped if Rule 4 is read at face value.

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Kind of off topic, but man it bothers me to see what r/atheism has done to religious discussions. Christianity isn't religion, it is a singular religion amongst a sea of far less stupid and destructive religions. It's always so obvious when someone is just talking about their Christian trauma instead of, say, sikhism or something.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

every religion has a potential to become what christianity and islam is now. If you tell people to willfully ignore facts and prefer in their place something they wish to be true, and at the same time tell them what to wish for, you have a cult of very gullible people. Religion is not a framework of ethics as religious people like to say, but instead it’s a framework of stupidity.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

It's even worse than that, because Christianity isn't even a singular religion, it's a set of related religions, some of which are incredibly problematic and others the worst they have going for them is they "are technically a religion"

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago
[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Want to see a lack of accountability? Check out necromancer / wintermute_oregon over at [email protected].

Running an echo chamber over there.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Echo chamber in like a theoretical sense? It looks dead silent, even dead, to me. I should mention I think its a good thing. Maybe my instance defederated at some point and I'm "missing out" on all the fun hate speech? /s

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