Veganism seems to fall so obviously out of leftist beliefs, there are definitely other ways to get there but even if you are a speciest animal ag is so wantonly destructive, intensive, exploitative, colonial, and abusive to human workers not being against it is a big question mark.

I want to be charitable to people, I understand that deprogramming yourself can take a while, but when people have been aware that veganism is an option for months/years without taking any material steps... I dunno, are you just a treatlerite mad you don't have enough treats?

Has anyone had any real progress making other leftists they meet vegan? I've only managed to get three people to permanently adopt the philosophy in my life. None of those were particularly leftist, just justice sympathetic.

edit: I actually want to hear from other vegans in the vegan comm. Shocking I know.

It's funny to me because it reads like a satire of non-vegans, but this is literally how most of them are.

what are your thoughts? humans only learn when things are taken from them. if we had no say, we'd be forced to evolve in accordance with prioritization of Natural and Cosmic Law.

We imagine this world because we understand the mind as the link between the physical and the spiritual. In that manner, a person in this idealistic world who desires to consume the forbidden fruit will die and return to a world more accepting of their meat-eating manners (this world), meaning: even the wicked get the life they desire!

Please fellow vegan sisters and brothers lend me you hand....

I love indian food so fucking much. One might even consider it a problem. Not me.

Ever since this phenomenon has blessed my taste buds I have never been the same. Am I truly who I thought I was? Am I truly human?

For you see fellow Lemmyheads when I am graced with a buffet full of these exquisite succlent dishes I cannot contain the beast within. I. Must. Gorge.

Somosas? Gone I ate them when you weren't looking, korma? You must have accidentally thrown it in the bin... Aka my mouth, naan? The dog must have got it.... Woof woof....

Sorry almost lost myself there for a bit. The point being, I fucking love this shit. However I can never get it to taste like restaurant style indian food, especially vegan style. I have been vegan for about 2 and a half years, and still have not mastered this art. It's always just a sad attempt at glory.

So I ask you... Please bless me with your sacred texts.... Your knowledge.... The bay leaf that you know the flavor it adds but I am clueless....

How the hell do I make that good shit? How do I make it bussin?

(Bonus points:

• for anyone who can give me tips on how to get soy curls to taste like chicken.

• your best recipes for vegan chicken coconut korma, butter chicken, samosas, naan, vegetable kurma. These are some of my favorites )

Thank you for your time.... May the odds be ever in my favor...

What were they thinking?

So next week my 2 yo's sons kindergarten are planning a zoo trip. Apparently they will be talking about it before and after. It costs the kids nothing and the teachers tickets are coming out of a collective fund we already paid money into. My wife really wants him to go, she grew up not being able to go to a lot of school trips due to growing up in foster care/neglect and really fears him getting ostracized. She says she knows what it was like to not go and it really comes close to her trauma so its not really a subject I can argue against. The teachers obviously recommend going, so I'm all alone in saying no. I would stay home, perhaps prepare our own outing and look into talking about animal liberation but I feel so alone in it. My wife gave me the option to veto the trip even though she really wants him to go.

There really is not much more to argue between us too, my focus is animal liberation, hers is how not partaking in some activities alienates one from society. And in a society based on animal oppression a lot of activities require some form of animal oppression. I don't know how this contradiction is going to resolve and it's making me very anxious.

How do you cope with the feeling of loneliness? Do you have good kid friendly material relating to animal liberation? What could be a good alternative for us that day? What if I just gave in? I can't do this for every zoo/farm outing anyway.

White Western culture: Cattle ranching, factory farms, meat 3 meals a day, sport hunting, horse racing, purebred dogs, animal testing, captive cetaceans, ocean overfishing, capitalism

@[email protected] This person isn't a doctor

Autumn Fladmo Smith is the co-founder of Paleovalley and Wild Pastures, holds a Masters in Holistic Nutrition, a Certified Eating Psychology Coach, and a Certified FDN Practitioner

She doesn't list where her Master's is from, so it's gotta be somewhere shady as well.

I'm sorry I said I hope you get bowel cancer, but it would be really funny if you were reincarnated as a cow or pig though.

A month or so ago someone on the comm here posted about keshek el fouqara, a fermented bulgur wheat cheese. That post inspired me to make some and I just balled it up and put it in jars. I tried some after it had fermented and pressed the water out and it was good. Nice a sour in a good way. I think it would combine well with other stuff like nuts, sundried tomatoes, maybe dates, balsamic reduction.

I feel like I probably could have left it in water to ferment for longer but I was excited so only left it a month. I did two flavours, one zatar and one berbere spice mix.

I did 2 lbs of bulgur wheat and got a shit load of product. The bag of wheat was about $4 so this is dirt cheap compared to cashew or nut based vegan cheese. Olive oil to pour over it is more expensive, but I'm expecting to be able to use the olive oil afterwards anyway.

My partner was a bit wary about the oil soaked balls in jars being shelf stable so its in the fridge for now. I'll update the comm in another month or so when I go to town on those. I expect the flavour to get more complex over time - fermented stuff usually does.

I would like to transition to eating vegan and have tried to find substitutes for some of the things I'd miss the most. (Mostly cheese and maybe honey) But both buying and making these substitutes appears to be rather pricey. I figure there must be a way to go vegan without spending everything I have, so does that mean I just have to forgo the substitutes and completely change my diet? That'll be tough, but I want to try. Any advice for getting away from animal products?

cross-posted from: https://vegantheoryclub.org/post/1244702

WB Hexbear

Horizontal market segmentation is a strategy that allows a company to create and market products tailored to different consumer segments without necessarily changing its core business practices or cannibalizing their own sales. In the context of a large meat producer such as Tyson Foods, this means offering plant-based (or otherwise animal-free) product lines alongside its traditional meat products. By adding a vegan-friendly offering to their portfolio, the company can appeal to conscious consumers seeking plant-based alternatives, all while continuing to invest heavily in, and profit from, the more lucrative animal-exploitation side of their operations.

https://www.crmbuyer.com/story/howard-moskowitzs-horizontal-segmentation-secret-sauce-70817.html

https://stevebizblog.com/how-to-crush-the-competition-with-horizontal-segmentation/

At the heart of this approach is the desire to capture as large a share of the overall market as possible. Rather than risk losing vegan or flexitarian consumers, meat producers roll out vegan product lines. To the average shopper, this might suggest that the company is evolving toward a more sustainable or ethical model. In reality, however, these new "vegan" brands function primarily as a safeguard: they protect the company’s bottom line against a growing demographic that avoids or reduces meat consumption.

Crucially, companies deploying this tactic rarely allow plant-based offerings to substantially affect, let alone undermine, the primary business model—raising and killing animals for food. Instead, they leverage profits from both segments, using revenue from their new vegan products to offset any dips in meat sales, while still expanding their existing meat-focused infrastructure. As a result, these companies maintain (and often grow) their overall market share and keep the broader system of animal exploitation firmly in place.

For vegans, this underscores a fundamental challenge: relying on non-vegan brands to “fix” the problems inherent in animal agriculture often falls short. While a new vegan product range launched by a big meat company may be convenient or widely accessible, it usually does not represent a philosophical or operational shift away from exploiting animals. Instead, it reinforces the company’s goal of capturing every possible consumer segment to bolster its profits. Those funds can then be reinvested in the company’s meat operations as well as its plant-based lines. The net effect is that rather than truly diminishing the market for animal-based foods, this horizontal expansion effectively allows the firm to profit from both sectors simultaneously—maintaining and growing the status quo in the process.

Consequently, the rise of “vegan lines” from traditional animal-based companies can be a double-edged sword. On the one hand, more plant-based products reach more people—especially in mainstream venues—potentially normalizing a vegan diet for a wider audience. On the other hand, because the underlying corporate structure remains unchanged, the profits generally feed back into large-scale animal exploitation. In light of this, vegans should argue that genuine progress requires direct action and rebuilding supply chains dedicated to dismantling the animal agriculture system at its roots—rather than expecting established meat corporations, venture capital and start ups with the intent to sell out to transform entrenched businesses simply by adding a vegan label.

I’ve heard many Jewish anti-Zionists express discomfort with the idea that opposing Zionism is inherently antisemitic because it implies that being Jewish requires supporting genocide. To them, that’s the truly antisemitic notion.

As a Black vegan, I feel the same discomfort when people claim that respecting animals is a "white" thing. That framing indirectly suggests that POC are more supportive of animal oppression than white people, which is, frankly, racist.

The truth is, every culture, white or otherwise, has been shaped by human supremacy. But if we're talking more specifically about plant-based dieting, the cultures that have adhered to it as tradition the most are not white, e.g., religious tendencies like Jainism and Rastafarianism.

And let’s not forget who industrialized and globalized animal agriculture for maximum profit: colonizers. If anything, Western imperialism is what has exacerbated animal exploitation.

I'm worrying a bit about b12 levels, so I thought I'd ask here. From what I gathered searching the internet some morning cereals and some things that have added b12, there was a site talking about soy milk, but idk about that. I'm looking for more options so i could maybe find them more easily

Vegans: holds every race and ethnic group to the same ethical standard when it comes to rejecting animal exploitation

Non-vegans: literally throws out Sinophobic insults, slurs, and calls Chinese people a "barbaric other species" for engaging in the Yulin Dog Meat Festival

But guess which group is more often considered racist and disrespectful when it comes to other cultural practices that involve exploiting animals?

Yeah.

I picked up a box of "shicken" tikka kebab at the Costco. Fully vegan and ready for the grill straight out of the box. They were delicious. A huge hit and a group of 6 ate the whole box. I've tried a lot of fake meats and do/don't like many for all sorts of reasons, but these were good overall, no complaints at all. Highly recommended if you come across them and think they're up your alley. This is not product placement I just wanted to share a positive experience and give an endorsement so someone else can enjoy them

"There are environmentally sustainable ways of farming animals so why do vegans oppose those?"

Like... veganism is an ethical stance, not necessarily an environmentalist one (although environmentalism is based obviously.)

I also hate the false dichotomy of "leather vs. pleather" that often invites these kinds of takes.

This is something that I've been wondering about.

To me, a vegan Zionist is something I'd expect to hear of as an anomaly in the vegan community, something as rare as a Palestinian Zionist, a Jewish Neo-Nazi, a Marxist Zionist, or something like that, as these kinds of people do exist (somehow), but they're very obscure.

However, to see so many vegans not only validate the existence of Isn'trael but actually be full on Zios who show not the slightest bit of empathy or consideration for Palestinians is a headscratcher for me.

I have a gut feeling that Israel's veganwashing plays a big part in this, but vegans, of all people, are those who I would expect to look past such obvious, glaring bullshit, like they do with animal products that claim to be "humanely sourced."

Also, Gary Yourofsky formerly being a very strong voice in the movement likely plays a part in that as well... the man certainly has some takes.

[CW: Extreme Anti-Palestinian Sentiment] (This was in 2015, by the way.)

I see a lot of people at least joking about going vegan lately. I've been vegan for roughly.... ah, I want to say 4 years now? I lost track awhile ago. It was around the time the wreckers came to Hexbear and convinced a bunch of us to watch Dominion (highly recommend doing so btw, it's free online).

ANYWAYS, if you're interested in more than just shitposts and are seriously interested in veganism I was thinking I could help answer any questions you have. Comment here or send me a DM if you're blush shy. This comm has limits on what we can talk about btw, such as diet. And I think the whole website has restrictions on recommending specific brands of food? So DM for questions like that, thanks.

I've never actually made tofu because I don't cook often, but today it was on sale for $0.88/lb (limit 4) so now I have 4 pounds (1.8 kg) of tofu (3 firm, 1 extra firm) that I have no idea what to do with. The oven/stove at my place is broken, so I just have a microwave, but fwiw it has a convection option.

I know there's something about cutting it into cubes and pressing out the moisture, and I know it's really good at absorbing flavor but doesn't have much on its own, but that's about all I know. I guess I can look up recipes, but idk how to adapt them to a microwave and also online recipes are a pain because of SEO.

Thanks.

Please don't give me any recommendations for bad vegan toppings, nor any recommendations for good vegans topping me to be bred.

How have I not seen this cringe yet?