Omg his justification is "Well yeah I'm a hypocrite on this issue" and thats it. The End. 
Goes to show just how useless "debate" actually is, you can get someone to admit to being a hypocrite, filmed and on stage, and they won't change their behaviour.
This is probably cope, but this is CHUDs thoughts deep down: “Yeah, you’re probably right…but fuck you anyway.”
Tbh, this is how many carnists think: ”I know the meat industry is horrible, but I still eat meat because [insert excuse here]”.
Right, but he doesn't even bother with an excuse. He just straight up goes "ya got me bud" and thats it. No excuse left, but still 
"I know the meat industry is horrible, but I still eat meat because I don't care/meat tastes good" is also a very common carnist line :yea:
This right here is why carnist chuds get so defensive about veganism
Often debate isn't to convince the person you're talking to. Debate is to convince all the people on the edge who listen to it. Debate is for those who haven't made up their mind yet and can be convinced by the arguments of one of the two debaters
Only true master debaters understand this
True, but there needs to be an emotional component. I don't think people are going to upend their diet and commit longterm without emotional investment. There will always be that part trying to rationalize a little oppression, you know, vegetarians. Plus saying that I believe how we treat animals is incomprehensibly horrendous but in a matter-of-fact way is just gonna come across as insincere because it is.
This is the furthest I can get with a carnist as well
If Ben Shapiro goes vegan that might be the first serious argument against veganism I've seen.
The first truly annoying vegan
well... he's right about something, then
“So anon, why are you a vegan?”
Hey, my way of life has the official Ben Shapiro seal of approval. You wouldn’t want to be an un-epic SJW, would you? Stalin ate meat, you know?
its cause you have no morals ben
I'm gonna take a guess and say he said that cuz he realized criticizing Mamdani for eating with his hands doesn't really hit, so he decides to criticize him for carnism lmao.
Edit: welp I guessed wrong.
The video in the article is from 2021.
Did 
really criticize him for eating with his hands? I can find a bunch of articles on chuds whining about it, but not Shabibo specifically. That wouldn't surprise me though, since it's exactly the kind of very thinly veiled racism he'd do.
So I'm wrong.
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