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In California, a high school teacher complains that students watch Netflix on their phones during class. In Maryland, a chemistry teacher says students use gambling apps to place bets during the school day.

Around the country, educators say students routinely send Snapchat messages in class, listen to music and shop online, among countless other examples of how smartphones distract from teaching and learning.

The hold that phones have on adolescents in America today is well-documented, but teachers say parents are often not aware to what extent students use them inside the classroom. And increasingly, educators and experts are speaking with one voice on the question of how to handle it: Ban phones during classes.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

While I agree students shouldn't be distracted with their phones during class I don't think enacting a law is the best remedy for the malady. This aught to be resolved by school district or even just a classroom policy.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The issue with local policy like that is that school boards or individual teachers are hugely susceptible to parental rage. Countless teachers will talk about how every parent has some reason why little Timmy just absolutely must have his TikTok machine on him at all times, just in case his mom needs to text him and can't be bothered to call the school office.

Having some state-level precedent makes this much easier for local officials, who can just say that they're following state guidelines.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

has some reason why little Timmy just absolutely must have his TikTok machine on him at all times, just in case his mom needs to text him and can't be bothered to call the school office

And that's a problem why exactly? Why is every comment here pretending that there is either being glued to the screen of your phone or having it locked away, no inbetween?

Schools can somehow enforce completely rediculous clothign regulations but "the phone stays in your bag unless it's an emergency" is somehow impossible because it's some kind of law of nature that you must stare at the screen 24/7.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do you want to have to watch your 25+ students every minute to enforce your rule, or would you like to teach your lesson?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago

Actually yes. I want the students watched because that's part of teaching. Ignoring them to the point it's extra work to even look at them once a minute while while reproducing some book verbally or in writing is not.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's a fair point. But what's worse for a student, not paying attention in class or getting a cop sent into the classroom to arrest/assault them?

If it's a law, and the school has a cop on premises it's just a question of when will a teacher ask a cop to deal with it.

I am not sure if a law enforced by the government and courtrooms without much room for exception is the best idea. What if a student genuinely needs a phone in class?

Why couldn't the precedent be a school policy similar to how some schools might have a uniform policy? Why would it be easier to enforce a uniform policy than a no phone policy?

Also, what is the difference between a highschool and a college interms of phone use during class?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

To be very clear, I was not suggesting that a cop arrest a student for opening Instagram.

My point is that schools will be significantly more able to resist parental pressure when the school boards quite literally do not have the authority to make the decision. Perhaps there is some room for exceptions with legitimate need, but I'd argue that the bar needs to be pretty high for that, because again, it was in fact possible for students to attend school without phones for essentially all of human history. If a parent really needs to get a message to a student, they can call the office.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Just saying.... after dealing with schools for my entire career, theres a reason why parents dont want to have to rely on the office to deliver anything.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You are assuming that the only reason for a student to have a smartphone in class is to make a call.

Besides special needs students that may require their own set of regulations if laws are to be drafted. We are only considering what smartphones are currently capable of. What if in the future they are capable of things that are considered essential learning tools? If a law was passed to blanket ban specific devices or sweep up even more technology then it will be hard to revoke when required.

The school system already has all the tools it needs to deal with distractions in the classroom. The issue at hand seems to be more a systemic one than a technological one.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm not against some system of qualified exceptions, though they'd need to be very tight or you'll suddenly find every parent discovering their kid's own special need.

The school system already has all the tools it needs to deal with distractions in the classroom.

From conversations I've had with teachers, this is not at all remotely consistent with what they report.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I am not a teacher and not part of the school system right now. Are schools no longer allowed to send kids to the principal's office? Or send a letter to their parents? Or issue detention? Or is it that none of those methods help? Is a teacher's only course of action to remind students to not look at their phones during class?

When I read the article and the teacher realized that as long as the students looking at their phones were quiet it was fine it really just seemed to me like that teacher failed. If a parent said that, I would also think they failed.

There have always been distractions in the classroom and unless we are talking about a diagnosis of addiction, smartphone uses shouldn't be treated differently.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"There have always been distractions in the classroom and unless we are talking about a diagnosis of addiction, smartphone uses shouldn't be treated differently."

If that's what it comes down to then, fine. Maybe some serious research should be done in the subject.

But, until then why allow something in classrooms that isn't just a simple distraction. It's a tool with lots of uses that should never be allowed in school (and I'm not just talking about cheating).

It's also an easy method of bullying that can be very difficult to stay ahead of.