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President Joe Biden, in a call Saturday with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, directly tied Ukraine’s withdrawal from the key town of Avdiivka to Congress’ inability to pass further aid for the country’s effort to fend off Russia’s invasion.

“This morning, Ukraine’s military was forced to withdraw from Avdiivka after Ukrainian soldiers had to ration ammunition due to dwindling supplies as a result of congressional inaction, resulting in Russia’s first notable gains in months. President Biden emphasized the need for Congress to urgently pass the national security supplemental funding bill to resupply Ukrainian forces,” according to a White House readout of the call.

The call bookended a week defined by US attempts to reassert leadership on the world stage. It also highlighted renewed urgency to pass additional funds for Ukraine amid the withdrawal from Avdiivka, a key town that in recent months became one of the most fiercely contested battles on the eastern front, and the news of Kremlin critic Alexey Navalny’s death.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We actually did use it with Ukraine:

https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/ukraine-non-standard-ammunition

I'm assuming they just don't want to use it with very large sums, as its supposed to be a measure for emergency situations. Using it with tens of billions worth would be very bad politically here in the US.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It has nothing to do with the amount. From your link:

"The Government of Ukraine has requested to buy"

That wasn't the US giving weapons. It was Ukraine buying them. Ukraine can buy weapons at any time because purchases can be approved by the President. But giving money requires Congressional approval.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not quite.

When we do Foreign Military Financing programs, we give a set amount of money that the other government then pays us back from, buying what they wish. So, Israel pays us for our weapons. Just, with money we gave them. They also buy weapons from us with their own money, we only cover a fairly small percentage of their total defense budget.

The Arms Export Control Act covers the situation regardless.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Export_Control_Act

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just, with money we gave them.

Yes but that money was already given to them by Congress. So the purchase of weapons using money they already had could be approved by Biden.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But it still falls under the purview of the Arms Export Control Act. Congress gets oversight over more than just money, if they pass a law that gives them that authority. Which they did back in the 70s.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Congress can vote on it if they want to. They aren't required to vote. There's also a loophole that started in the 80's that effectively lets the President bypass Congress because he can veto which requires another vote with a 2/3 majority to override a veto. So Congress doesn't even bother voting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Bypass is the wrong word there. Not having the votes doesn't mean they've been bypassed.