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I voted for Biden, and I'll be doing so again. I voted for Hillary as well. Each time made me feel a little sick, like I had given my support to the atrocities that would now be committed with the "mandate of the voters".
It won't change the fact that I will vote for Biden (it is the best option after all). But comments like yours, that feel the need to throw accusations and bully people into selling that little piece of their soul, even when no one brought up withholding votes from Biden, make that sick feeling worse.
If there are people who are at the cusp of withholding their votes from Biden, your comment is not the kind of argument that will shame them into joining your side. Rather it will push them further towards abstaining. And while you might feel you have the moral high ground over people like that, you are still contributing to the problem.
Edit: To those considering their vote for Biden, I think this comment does a good job putting it into perspective. It talks about some of the good he has actually accomplished, and makes a decent case for how voting can't become a zero sum game or we will lose more than we gain.
Yeah, some people haven't learned that "if you do x, you're an (insult)" doesn't turn people considering x against x, it more often turns them against the one saying it. Even if they ultimately agree that x is bad, they often also continue considering the one who said that an enemy.
How to Win Friends and Influence People and The 48 Laws of Power were a couple of books that helped me learn this, because we have instincts that lead us astray in these regards (I used to think insults were a viable persuasion strategy myself). So much of it is obvious in hindsight, just by considering things from how I would receive them instead of how to convince someone of something.
Edit: fixed formatting for angled brackets
Edit 2: looks like they just remove angled brackets, escaped or not, switched to boring curvy brackets
I've already learned all this but your mistake is thinking I give a fuck. No one's opinion changes, and the world will end in like 30 years tops.
Ah, so you're going with the accelerate the end strategy. Can't say I really blame you. Things aren't looking good regardless of who wins.
30 years? An optimist I see. /s
Even if people will still vote for Biden we need public opinion to swing so drastically that the Dems will at least panic and do something different than unconditionally support israel.
Openly saying that you are going to vote for Genocide Joe while he does the Genocide is absolutely useless.
There is definitely some truth in what you are saying. But for me, that has to be weighed against the risks of another Trump presidency. Which from what I've seen, will be worse for the Palestinian people, as well as many others. There are people very close to me whose rights were infringed upon by the shifts in laws enacted during the Trump years, and fighting for their rights isn't useless to me.
I do my best to take direct action to show support for the Palestinian people, and would encourage others to do the same. But I worry that if we genuinely want to affect change to benefit the greatest number of people, we can't just pick our hills to die on, we have to push for solidarity.
What risk? We have seen 2016. Trump will only be marginally worse than Biden. People are still working 20 jobs for little money and have no housing but we sure have 14 Billion for israel lying around.
If you keep confirming to the Democrats that they will never lose by being Republicans Lite, then the Democrats will never change. In fact your direct vote confirms you don't want them to change
Only by making Democrats lose votes (or at least polling numbers) will they actually start to care. Especially when they see those lost votes directly go to third parties
Due to electing Trump in 2016, we have the majority of U.S. states where women no longer have body autonomy, tons of anti-lbgt laws, and a Supreme Court that continues to weaken voting and civil rights. The Republicans publicly have a plan to install a "deep state" the next time they get a Republican in the presidency (project 2025). It's quite possible the U.S. will never have "fair" elections after another Republican presidency. Trump and friends have learned from their previous coup attempt, and will try a different method next time.
Ah geez if only Obama was able to codify Roe v Wade which he purposely didn't to keep the voters hostage.
The DNC sabotaged Bernie in 2016 you can thank the Democrats for losing abortion rights.
And how do LGBT and abortion rights in the US protect the Palestinians from genocide? They are important issues too, but right now there is a president who supports genocide. If he is not punished for it, it will show every future president, that genocide is somewhoe politically acceptable. It shouldn't be acceptable.
There is no incentive for the Dems to actually stop commiting the same atrocities like the Reps, if they will be voted either way.
You cannot parent a child without good consequences for good behaviour and bad consequences for bad behaviour. It is the same for polticians.
Biden is not doing nothing to fix any of those issues. Biden has been bypassing congress to give bombs to israel.
Unless the dems realize that their hostage holding of voters will no longer work they will never change their rhetoric as you are literally voting for them because of it. You are giving them zero incentive to fix any problems.
Biden is currently cracking down on immigration and supporting israel as if he is a GOP candidate. Not fixing abortion
I don't think there will be real elections anymore if a Republican wins the next presidential election, so it makes no sense to me to punish the Dem party by locking them out of control of the federal government forever. Furthermore, Trump and Reps are hinting at committing more genocide-like actions on U.S. soil ("rounding up" all the undocumented immigrants, eradicating trans people from public life, etc).
These are people that pay sticker prices at the dealership.
Bleh every other thread on Lemmy has "leftists" (usually suspiciously pro-Russia tankies) constantly threatening to shoot themselves and their neighbors by abstaining from democracy, I ain't reading all that but I'm glad you're not one of them and thus a comrade of mine, I meant no offense, I was just putting out there something that needs to be said. On reddit I'd usually just tell them to kill themselves and call them goobers but I'm trying to be nice here.