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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

how did LotR damage fantasy media?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

With respect, have you looked at fantasy media of the last half-century? The reception of Tolkein's work became one of the greatest magnifications of the problems in "genre writing" in the entire history of the concept, with endless, endless imitation that has so over-saturated the genre that it is legitimately difficult to imagine "fantasy" that doesn't use recycled Tolkein-esque tropes. Ironically, you can even see some of those issues in GoT, though it mainly has the issue of being directionless, misogynistic smut.

I strongly encourage you to read literally any pre-Tolkein fantasy to see what a difference it has.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Pre-tolkien fantasy is like, wizard of Oz and stuff

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Conan is a big one, and its DNA can still be seen in modern Tolkienien fantasy

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Honestly I wish we could go back to fantasy about giant hunky dudes killing evil pointy bearded sorcerers with the help of scantily clad warrior ladies.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

and stuff

"And stuff" doing a lot of heavy lifting

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

I think you are wildly underrating the creativity of pre-Tolkien fantasy. I personally have great affection for the writing of Lord Dunsany and there are some people who really like the elements of awe in Lovecraft (to paraphrase Ramsey Campbell), but it's a wide field that I'm not really an expert on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That set the standard for low magic midevil europe to be the default fantasy setting. That and DnD, which took heavy inspiration from that.