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In audio released Friday evening, senators and representatives from Ohio and Michigan revealed the "endgame" is to ban transgender care "for everyone."

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Imagine being so insistent on targeting what amounts to 1% of the population.

This shows how little they care about governing and how much they care about pushing their agenda.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

-Francis Wilhoit

They are exercising the out group to appease their base, nothing more. When they can't target trans people anymore, they will move on to someone else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Conservatism has no generally accepted definition, try googling it and see how many different answers come up. It's not a political ideology, they can't make up their own minds on what it is. It's what you need it to be, then and there, it seems. Like if you had a party of self-serving lawyers run amok.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

This is a red herring lie to induce fear in homophobic followers. It is little different from the lies to that crime is rising, and that black/Latino/immigrant/Antifa crime is skyrocketing. Do not take my word for it. Look at actual crime statistics. Republicans are both being lied to, and spreading those same lies.

The common thread is Republicans are dividing our country by promoting fear, distrust, and rage through their lies.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's basically the game, ruin everything, and blame whichever minority it's cool to hate this month for the ruin

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

While they steal the money. OH SHIT LOOK OVER THERE GAY PEOPLE! Yoink. That's the game, that's the whole game.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's a rounding up by a pretty big margin. I am in one of the most trans friendly cities on the planet and we're sitting at 0.4% of our population being trans.

A lot of the rhetoric tends to fall on the "we shouldn't have to change our behaviour because it's such a small number!" but then we are also supposed to be this society wide menace that is "socially contagious"...

We are prime scapegoats because you require extra empathy to understand the basics of what being trans is actually like compared to being cis and conservatives generally rate pretty low on empathy. They don't care that they are condemning us to permanent misery, they can't conceptualize that misery anyway.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think one can be bigoted AF against gay and trans people and still defend their rights, I mean I think a lot of people are shit, doesn't mean I want them imprisoned for it, I just don't hang out with them. End of problem. Because you don't go knocking at their doors asking them to be gay, right? These fuckers go door to door asking me to vote to end gay, and that is more annoying than I ever found a gay person. Fuck that, you be you and I be me, you stay there I stay here everyone happy, bigots and gays together, not divided.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This feels like it's intended to be a positive message... I think? I have certainly never knocked on anybody's door and asked them to be trans. I think a lot of people assume that we are trying to force people to use our pronouns and be nice to us... But if it's on my own time why would I hang around people that call me things that make me feel like crap?

It's crazy though how upset people will get when you tell them you don't like them very much. Bigots want to be "respected" but most of the time it just seems to mean "above judgement for behaviour."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I hold some views that are very often branded "-phobic", while you could not possibly find a more humanistically and egalitarian determined person who would literally (and I say this with a straight face) die for everybody's right to enjoy the same freedoms and liberties as everybody else regardless of their personal choices, or their non-personal choices, or whoever they are or how they identify themselves.

Simultaneously I think the LGBTQ movement is fucking bullshit dogmatic artificial manufactured outrage culture whose participants refuse to ever have anything but the most disingenuous, vile, and divisive arguments, on a basically fascist level. And don't even get me started on trans whatever. I don't mind any of these people as people. But their arguments suck ass, that is the single thing that pisses me off, they suffocate dialogue, and I will never have any of that. It is hypocritical to demand of me that I see others the way they see themselves. You may choose to see yourself however you want, and I retain my right to see you however I want as well. I don't have to agree with you. You may see yourself as trans, and I will never disrespect you for it, but if I see it as hypothetically should be classified as a mental disorder then that is my right. Strictly based on scientific classification (i have a degree in psychology), the argument can be easily made. Why isn't it? That is my contention.

But I would die for their rights, without a second thought, to say what they want and be what they want and I would take up arms to defend anyone being oppressed for their sexuality, or religion, or color of skin. I went into the army based on those ideals, just so that in case it comes my way, I will be prepared to do the right thing and protect civilian rights.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Part of the reason why the mental disorder thing doesn't stick is that a gender identity is pretty key to our self conceptualization of who we are as people. It's really hard to explain it to cis people in a way that makes sense to them because so many don't have a situation that is comparable. In my talks with cis people while some do have a binary gender identity that matches their physicality and they feel the same dysphoria / euphoria we do... they aren't the norm I've observed. Most cis people seem to be without a strong gender identity. If they suddenly woke up as the opposite sex they might be perfectly chill with it.

But imagine you have a situation where you've always seen the world through the lens of a self where your brain recognizes members of the other sex as being your people. You struggle to empathize with members of your birth sex and you react with horror as your body changing not only triggers a sense of body horror it makes it so other people start treating you in a way where it's like they stop recognizing you. Internally however this is a constant, your personality, veiws and every choice you've made, every social interaction you've ever had has been colored with this subtext.

I suffer from a fair amount of gender dysphoria, but I haven't transitioned due to other factors. But if the option to suddenly just be happy in this body and conceptualize myself fully as the gender that matches this body... I wouldn't take that option, the idea of even doing so is sickening. At some level this IS me. If you changed it you'd violate something deeper than just flesh.

A lot of people look at us first and foremost as a problem. A disorder not in that we are sick but that we do not submit to the order that is easy for other people who don't want to take the energy to empathize or understand. That we fight to engineer our spaces to make living our lives more fulfilling to US is too much for some people who just try and discredit and flatten our expression to a narrow version of what is acceptable because we are expected to endure a permanent level of "tolerable" unhappiness... Largely for the sake of THEIR convenience.

Yes, we fight to change things but so much of this "I would fight for your freedoms... But " rhetoric is ignorant of the rubric we have for what constitutes a life worth living and a life worth actually fighting for. It's hard to fight that tide because we are in the position of having to explain color to the blind when we talk about things like gender identity.

Ultimately I don't care what random people "think" about me. But reflecting my own body back to me in language that refers directly to it means that you are doing something that makes me feel like shit. I accept a certain amount of random interaction as just the cost of doing business of going out in public but there's certain places where I should not need endure that. Like the people who want to be my friend and feel some measure of closeness. Or in places made safe by our engineering where the general rule of the space is that no one should have to deal with the status quo outside where we can't let our walls down. Our homes, queer spaces, or places where we've adequately advocated for our needs and the people in charge of that space have sided with our interpretation of a better status quo - physical and digital tangible territory claimed by us. The majority of spaces in the world value cis people's comfort over ours but they whine over the implications that there is any other way of doing businesses because they are fighting for the social engineering that makes them feel most comfortable- just like we are doing. Some people and places it's fine to have actual standards for behaviour because it allows you to actually relax in a public space without steeling yourself for the next random hit of having to perform for someone who really wants nothing more than you to not be their "problem" .

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

WDYM "1% of the population"? He explicitly said "for everyone"!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

And what percentage of the population is trans?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He doesn't actually mean everyone. He'd have no problem with his mistress getting breast implants.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's not "trans care". I bet he'd have issues if his mistress wanted to transition to male.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

i wouldn’t be so sure about that…

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

1/100 is trans? No way. It's got to be more like 1/1000 or even less. If you say I is 1% is lgbtq I would agree. But trans specifically? Nah.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

~7% identifies as LGBT in USA, 0,5-1,6% identify as trans according to wikipedia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demographics_of_the_United_States#p-lang

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It shocks me that people think there are so few gay and trans people. People are afraid to tell the truth because of these kind of politicians, you’re almost guaranteed to have a gay person in your family somewhere, whether they’re out or not

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

To be fair, it may not be something that comes up during a normal conversation. It's really none of our business what other people's preference in the bedroom is, so it isn't something most people pry about.

I lived under the same roof (uni dormitory with 5 others) with a person for 3 years without knowing she was bisexual. It was only because she mentioned a female name in a subsentence about a tinder date that I found out about it. Unless they got a partner or you're really close to them, it may just be something you never find out about, so you just assume they're straight.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

sounds high to me too, but i don’t rwallly know.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah what even IS their stance on infrastructure? Just let it burn, or what? Because I'm very heavily invested in that, but all I get is that they are going to remove the gays or something. In twenty five years of truck driving I have never once run over a gay person, that is simply not an issue for me in my day to day dealings, I want to know what the fuck about the roads?