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In-N-Out Burger says it will close its first location in its 75-year history due to a wave of car break-ins, property damage, theft and robberies affecting customers and employees alike at its only restaurant in Oakland, California.

The fast-food burger joint in a busy corridor near Oakland International Airport will close on March 24 because even though the company has taken “repeated steps to create safer conditions our Customers and Associates are regularly victimized,” Denny Warnick, In-N-Out’s chief operating officer, said in a statement Wednesday.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Why not hire a security guard? This sounds like some packaged bullshit trying to blame downsizing on crime, just like CVS did a couple years ago.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oaklander here. Crime might be down nationwide, but it is up a LOT here. It’s quite sad. Big franchises aside, a lot of small local businesses haven’t been able to withstand the crime wave. Lots of my favorite mom and pop places are closing up and saying that they just can’t deal with the cost and stress of continued robbery / burglary.

But as for this place, there are cameras and guards in that lot, as well as employees taking orders. People still smash and grab, even in broad daylight.

This part of town is really struggling, by the airport, and thieves know the rental cars are almost guaranteed to have luggage. No one that lives here is shocked by this news. This is not Walgreens locking up soap in a place with dropping crime. This area is legitimately struggling with some big problems.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

What is wrong with Oakland? Poverty. That's usually the number one factor for rising crime rates anywhere

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This seems pretty non scientific. Crime stats are hard. The only organization that even comes close is the FBI and only because states are required to submit certain reporting.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ok, here’s the FBI’s stats from 2019:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-8/table-8-state-cuts/california.xls

Violent crime rate per population:

Los Angeles: 0.73% Oakland: 1.25%

So it’s close to twice the crime rate of Los Angeles.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

One year of crime stats doesn't measure change. Your argument is that the crime rate went up. You would need to provide numbers for at least ten years and ideally 20 or 30 to say anything about crime trends.

If you try and reply again be sure to include the metrics for which crimes went up, and which ones went down in the years you're concerned with. I think you'll find virtually everywhere in America is the same, and that violent crime has been on a consistent downward trend for the past thirty years and property and drug crimes have occasional spikes that track concurrently with significant economic disruptions.

Causes and solutions to criminal behavior are not a mystery. The only reason crime is still a significant problem in America is because on half of the voting public can't hold back their emotions and insist on using criminal justice to exact revenge, rather than rehabilitate and prevent.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wasn’t arguing that crime is up in Oakland, that was the other guy. I’m just shocked at how bad Oakland is compared to the rest of California. California is a really nice place to live, so I’m surprised that one of our cities is that bad.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Yeah it is, just like all that shit about how retail stores last year having to close because of crime AS CRIME WAS FUCKING PLUMMETING

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Crime is NOT plummeting in Oakland. Quite the opposite.

I live here and have been in the area for decades. It’s legitimately bad now, and that parking lot is a shit show.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

*reported crime.

At some point, store workers give up on calling in for your average shoplifter.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I lived near a CVS that was constantly targeted for crime. It's closing this month, and I honestly can't imagine how it stayed open this long.

You can pretend it's packaged bullshit, but until you live in a city and experience it first-hand, you'll stay in your pretty make-believe world.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They charge 85% markup on consumer shit.

They aren't closing because of crime. The ration of stolen items to sold items would have to be like 10 to 1.

If half of their daily sales walked out the back door, they'd still be making money hand over fist.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

And Target! I hate having to call someone to unlock the fucking toothpaste.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Idk, looking in from the outside adding a security guard usually ends up with someone dying in the US. Either the security guard tries to be John wick but ends up being a Paul blart or the security guard is a waste of salary as they go "why would I risk my life, fuck that.".

At best it would be a deterrent to young kids who get cocky.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nah. There are security guards everywhere and most of them don't ever kill anyone.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You just said it yourself, "most"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I agree it's the wild West over here with guns and gun nuts but for the number of security guards compared to the number of shootings they do, they aren't a significant portion of them. They are way fewer cops, and way more police shootings.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I'm more worried about security guards getting shot than them shooting ngl