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Pump action shotguns don't have magazine capacity and are hard to conceal. You can't, for example, keep one in your nightstand. You need to pump the gun to load it after shooting. I'd rather someone have a pump action than no gun but I don't think its the best first option.
If it's home defense, the options for concealment are many. I agree on the pump though, a semi auto is much better for defense. Magazine capacity doesn't need to be that high when every shot is nine shots.
Consider being "swatted". The scenario is 9 people with body armor. Do you think buckshot is better than 17 rd magazines x3?
If you get swatted you're fucked. There's no much reason to try to prepare for that unless you want to go full Rambo.
Yes. You are not taking down a swat team you didn't expect. A shotgun gives you a chance to be seen and decide to drop your weapon. So you have a better survival rate there. Really you aren't taking down any kind of team on your own. Our lives aren't that kind of movie
If you're being swatted no pistol on Earth is going to penetrate that armor and you need a rifle, but failing that, buckshot gives you the best chance for a one shot stop if you aim for the face and neck
Rifles aren't going to penetrate plates, either. There aren't really any small arms loads that will pen even level 3 plates.
Ah, I misremembered the effectiveness at close range. Although i checked and it looks only level 4 is rated for rifle fire. On the plus side, at home defense range a decently big round with good muzzle velocity like 7.62×39 can absolutely beat a man to death through his level 4 plates even without penetrating them. All that force has to go somewhere
Afaik actual NIJ rated IIIA hard plates will reliably stop at least a couple of rounds of any small arms load up to the weird specialized sniper loads.
Well yeah. It gets spread out across the entire surface of the plate, which means it's not going to do anything. Every round you fire, you're getting hit in the shoulder by the butt stock with the same amount of energy that bullet has. The bullet kills people because that energy is all concentrated in a tiny little bullet instead of spread across, idk, 6-8 square inches of the rifle stock? The idea you can somehow batter someone to death through their armor doesn't pass the most basic physics test - For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Until the plate actually fails he's feeling less pressure per square inch from the round impacting than you are firing it.
idk if this video is legit, but that's about what you should expect - Guy didn't even flinch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMDPFugXllo&t=22s
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
If you're swatted, your best and only chance of survival is to comply with the police instructions and pray/get lucky that none of them have an itchy trigger finger. And God help you if you're deaf, blind, asleep, non-white, or you can't hear or understand the instructions.
Btw even if you somehow are IRL Solid Snake and kill an entire swat team, you will be killed or disappeared by the justice system.
The caveat with pump vs. semi auto is you need a pretty decent semi auto shotgun for it to be very very reliable. so if you have a small budget get a pump otherwise it might go click click