you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 150 points 2 years ago (24 children)

Please! For the love of God! Get rid of tipping!

I hate tipping! As the consumer I should not be responsible for proving a living wage for someone else's employees!

  • source
  • hideshow 24 child comments
  • [–] 79 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    as a European I have to say both the Tipping culture and the not showing the full price in stores with VAT included is just mindblowing.

    It's literally a culture of hiding true costs, weird af.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 12 child comments
  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Hotels too. The advertised price is never accurate because their stupid resort fees.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    What now? First I'm hearing of this. How much extra?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Again, it's prevalent in the US market, not sure about others. They advertise say $199 / night, but when you go to check out, there's something like a ~$35- $50 /night resort fee to "pay for amenities like WiFi/ gym /pool". You can't reject paying the fee, so your hotel room is actually like 25% higher than advertised.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    Yeah, that'd be quite illegal down here. I spent basically half a year living in hotels straight due to work all across the UK and primarily London then continued for a few years after. So we're likely talking +300 nights. I have never seen an additional charge.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    It’s literally a culture of hiding true costs, weird af.

    Makes me happy though in this day and age that people are waking up to this fact, and are starting to push back on it.

    In the past corporations/governments thought people were a lot more unaware, than they are today.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's a culture of trying to get away with whatever makes the most profits. We also have that, but there are some reasonable laws working against that. One of my favourites is the duty to display per kg or per litre price. Before that, shops made the package sizes deliberately confusing.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We actually do have that in the US as well, but it's typically in very fine print and a lot of people don't even know about it.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago*

    It's really not that weird at all. It's a simple consequence of the EU having better consumer protection laws. Unfortunately the far right in the US is a lot stronger than in most of Europe and has been since the post-war era.

    We also, in the US, have an old and antiquated system that was deliberately designed to be difficult to change because the founders had to convince the slave-owning class that abolition couldn't be forced on them if they agreed to join the newly-formed union. How did they do that? You guessed it! By making the Constitution almost impossible to change, which is one reason why it required the bloodiest war in our history to end slavery.

    Again, there's nothing especially "weird" about it. As is true of a lot of contemporary reality, it's largely a consequence of history.

    Interestingly, tipping culture is also at least tangentially a product of slavery as well, but that's a bit more complicated so I'll save it for another comment.

    And if you're starting to suspect that a ton of what ails the US can be traced directly back to slavery, here's a hint; you may be on to something!

    That said, it was the European colonial powers who brought slavery to North America in the first place, which kind of brings us full circle.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Have lived in both eu and us.

    Agree, but the challenge on tax is that it's not harmonized across municipalities. This means that stores that are across the street from each other may have identical prices/profit margin and a different net price to the consumer. This would lead to consumer preferences biased by physical location and have lots of other weird side effects. You can see this in areas that border state lines when the tax is appreciably different.

    Step one is a harmonized tax rate, but that's easier said than done.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    One way or another, you're paying those employees wage. One of them doesn't get taxed or advertised is all.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes and no. All tips are supposed to be reported to the IRS. Whether they are or not is not really relevant. What really matters is that the customers aren’t forced to do an owners job. If an owner needs their customers to prop up their employees then the owners shouldn’t be in business.

    I used to make $2.35/h when I was in the service industry. Without my customers I would’ve been fucked. What’s worse is on a slow night, I really did get fucked.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I used to make $2.35/h when I was in the service industry. Without my customers I would’ve been fucked. What’s worse is on a slow night, I really did get fucked.

    I think that should be the point, employees should not be taking on the risk of a business doing poorly. That's the business owner's responsibility and risk, to be mitigated by them. Not screwing over a waiter because it was a slow night. Or because they were unlucky to work a tuesday night over a busy Saturday night.

  • source
  • parent
  • [+] -9 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    You dont have to tip bro its okay

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's not okay. I can hear some of my customers' anxiety when they struggle to tip me. Some people lord it over me like I should revere them for their blessing. There is an unnecessary layer of stress to the customer service routine for everyone involved except the owner who benefits from this system. Not to mention some businesses pool their tips and share it with everyone, sometimes redirecting these funds into unscrupulous items like snacks without consent. >:(

    Tips don't motivate me to provide great customer service to my customers. Tips serve to maintain cheap labor, but more important to me is how they erect social barriers. I can't blame someone for wanting or being motivated by tips when they're stuck near the bottom of the socio-economic ladder. I'm there too so I understand, but there's just no reason for tips when we can get/provide great service without adding layers of paranoia; When we can provide a satisfying quality of life for everyone in the process with a not-so-simple wage increase (and God forbid, better budgeting and management from business owners).

    They also in general make my job harder, especially when an old person who's basically blind can't find any of the buttons or follow simple directions (PRESS 3 FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, MARIANNE)

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago*

    I'd like to supplement that I've had access to my various employer's records multiple times... because why lock the admin computer.

    With my current employer, my entire wages for the month are paid for with net profits in a single day thanks to the skeleton crew we operate. I get to work knowing every other day is going straight to my boss's luxurious life-style because it's certainly not coming back here.

    Don't be surprised when you hear of another staff walk-out~

    Fuck tips, support good living standards for everyone!

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No. I actually kinda do. Like if I'm out with friends I literally get judged if I tip poorly let alone if I don't tip at all which is social suicide.

    And if I have a coupon for a meal, say 50% or something like that I still have to tip on the original amount before the discount was applied.

    Moreover, and most importantly in some restaurants tipping is the only source of income the server gets. Regardless of how I feel about it I am still responsible for this person's wage.

    I hate tipping culture.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    It's not socially acceptable to not tip servers in a full service restaurant in the USA. It's becoming a required social norm to tip fast casual.

    The pandemic really changed the tipping norms in the USA.

  • source
  • parent