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What does tankie really mean at this point? (hexbear.net)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I keep seeing "fuck tankies" everywhere, and seem to see people getting called "tankie" for any number of things--I used to feel like I knew what it meant (the formal definition, which I thought was the only application) but that's clearly not the case anymore. Saw someone get called one because they... Liked the idea of universal basic income and wanted walkable cities? And now the same sentiment is on a large number of Lemmy communities, lol.

I feel like I've been living under a rock.

Edit: Wow, I guess it's just as meaningless of a term now as it seemed. At least it's a nice, bright flag for ghouls not worth engaging with meaningfully, lol. I saw "fuck tankies" on a genderqueer community and got pretty confused on how the two ideas correlated in the slightest, so I guess that was the tipping point on me finally asking about it.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 10 months ago (1 children)

because there are some Stalinists or just dumb people who are proud of their country or a country they didn't even live in.

The Soviet Union won World War 2 and saved the world from fascism. Millions of Red Army soldiers and Russian civilians died at the hands of fascists and we are in their debt

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't get how doing what is so obviously good makes you a good leader, that just makes the west bad because they basically helped hitler. Also this "we are in their dept thinking isn't really a productive argument.

Why can people just admit that there are some truths and not everything was good.

Communism is not an ideology that can be done by just reading a basic rulebook and blindly believing historic anecdotes that are hard to verify or just straight up wrong.

I also want to believe that there were good and powerful communist leaderships, I can understand that.

How does wanting to understand make me a lib? Isn't this kind of flagging people what left ideologies criticise?

Just give me some real facts or evidence and I am happy, if you can't show me these you are reactionistic and conter-revolutionary.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Why? You haven't provided shit outside your opinions, which are clearly just ahistorical propogandistic horseshit. If you think Lenin was 'less harsh' than Stalin I have some bad fucking news for you, according to everybody but Khrushchev, that was very much not the case. Molotov famously discussed this in his memoirs.

We have no obligation to educate you, you are not a known party member in an organization, you are on an anonymous leftist shit posting forum. Go be a liberal debate pervert elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

If you think Lenin was 'less harsh' than Stalin I have some bad fucking news for you

kind-vladimir-ilyich

[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago

I don't get how doing what is so obviously good makes you a good leader

doing good is not the mark of good leadership? what, pray tell, makes a good leader then?