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What is Neurodivergence?

It's ADHD, Autism, OCD, schizophrenia, anxiety, depression, bi-polar, aspd, etc etc etc etc

“neurologically atypical patterns of thought or behavior”

So, it’s very broad, if you feel like it describes you then it does as far as we're concerned


Rules

1.) ableist language=post or comment will probably get removed (enforced case by case, some comments will be removed and restored due to complex situations). repeated use of ableist language=banned from comm and possibly site depending on severity. properly tagged posts with CW can use them for the purposes of discussing them

2.) always assume good faith when dealing with a fellow nd comrade especially due to lack of social awareness being a common symptom of neurodivergence

2.5) right to disengage is rigidly enforced. violations will get you purged from the comm. see rule 3 for explanation on appeals

3.) no talking over nd comrades about things you haven't personally experienced as a neurotypical chapo, you will be purged. If you're ND it is absolutely fine to give your own perspective if it conflicts with another's, but do so with empathy and the intention to learn about each other, not prove who's experience is valid. Appeal process is like appealing in user union but you dm the nd comrade you talked over with your appeal (so make it a good one) and then dm the mods with screenshot proof that you resolved it. fake screenies will get you banned from the site, we will confirm with the comrade you dm'd.

3.5) everyone has their own lived experiences, and to invalidate them is to post cringe. comments will be removed on a case by case basis depending on determined level of awareness and faith

4.) Interest Policing will not be tolerated in any form. Support your comrades in their joy!

Further rules to be added/ rules to be changed based on community input

RULES NOTE: For this community more than most we understand that the clarity and understandability of these rules is very important for allowing folks to feel comfortable, to that end please don't be afraid to be outspoken about amendments and addendums to these rules, as well as any we may have missed

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hey there hexbear nd gang! it's that time of year for the first time ever!

here we are once again approaching the end of the year according to the roman imperial calendar that we all have to use for some reason. it's the winter holiday season in the global north, a time of great symbolic significance to many people.

and so, i want to solicit your thoughts about this community, what it means to you, how you'd like to see it evolve, changes in moderation policy, suggestions for thumbnail and banner images, or anything else related to the comm or neurodiversity in general.

or just come hang out!

i also want to invite applications for new moderators for this comm. what would you like to do as a moderator for c/neurodiversity?

personally i've largely been a placeholder, but i do love this community and i want to see it grow as a shared and safe space for our neurodivergent comrades to talk about ourselves and with each other. i also want to do better and want your input about what that means.

c/nd has a well behaved user base so we don't need extra mod help for enforcement or anything like that. what i'm mainly looking for is fresh perspectives on community engagement and growth.

there is absolutely no requirement to disclose any personal information about yourself, just to make that clear. but if you're interested in moderating this community, please contact @[email protected], myself, and/or the other nd mods with an application.

if deadlines help motivate you, you have 3 days from the time you read this.

if deadlines harm your motivation, don't worry about it. if an application comes in a month or two from now of course we'll still consider it. this isn't a job, i'm just asking for volunteers to help moderate a small internet message board.

Application

What is your Hexbear username?

Do you have any preferred pronouns?

What are your thoughts on capitalism?

What are your thoughts on imperialism?

What are your thoughts on trans rights?

What are your thoughts on racial justice?

What are your thoughts on neurodiversity?

What do think about current and previous protests around the world?

What are your thoughts on Veganism and Animal Liberation?

Do you have any experience with other leftist online communities? What did those experiences teach you?

What is your approach to moderation, and how do you work with teams?

How do you deal with online drama and people who try to start things for the sake of it?

Do you have any ideas for c/neurodiveristy community engagement?

What is your general time availability? (amounts, common browsing times, etc)

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To get started, check out this link, where you can choose to either download Element for your platform or, if on a computer, open it in a browser ("Launch Element Web").

The instructions that follow are for the desktop application and the web application, but the process is similar on all apps:

  • Press "Create Account"
  • We host our own Matrix server, so if you want you can change matrix.org to chapo.chat. This is completely optional; users who sign up with a matrix.org username can still talk to people with chapo.chat username. (Note: It is chapo.chat, not hexbear.net. Also, registrations aren't always open on chapo.chat; if they're not, just create an account on matrix.org)
  • Fill in a username and password
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (3 children)

This year I fully accepted myself as autistic as well as ADHD. Got depression and anxiety on top of that. All part of the fun, I think.

I had a big long thing written out about trauma and whatnot but I'm fucking tired. Once again stating my intent to do a book club for Unmasking Autism, and it'd be easier to manage that if I was a mod here, so why the hell not? I'll throw my name in the hat.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The fun(?) part is trying to work out which of the depressive symptoms are actually ADHD symptoms of inattentiveness (i.e. the non-hyperactive side of ADHD, but they really need to have different terms for this tbh because it doesn't really fit), which are symptoms of executive dysfunction due to the ADHD/autism combo, whether some of the depressive symptoms might be catatonia, and if the anxiety is due to a lack of norepinephrine or because you're basically winding yourself up psychologically as a compensatory strategy to deal with ADHD symptoms.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think it's mostly that I'm incredibly lonely and I feel like such a fucking weirdo that I don't fit anywhere I go and any sort of sense of belonging is entirely alien to me. I feel like an outsider even here. I don't really know how to form deep relationships with human beings and it haunts me.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Sorry to hear that comrade.

I'm not sure about your circumstances but as general advice, especially to late diagnosed and late self-identifying folks, is that people who are autistic in particular form relationships in a different way from allistic folks (this also applies to a certain amount to ADHD folks but it tends to vary in degree) and to develop ways to embrace this.

If you are high masking and you put in a lot of effort trying to force yourself to fit the allistic mode of forming relationships then it's going to have some significant impacts on you (please don't take this as a beatdown btw, this comes from a place of sympathy and solidarity):

  • You can find yourself putting in a ton of energy which can lead you to burning out and this alone can really disrupt efforts to have longer lasting connections with people if you're dropping off frequently or for long periods of time.

  • Putting in a disproportionate amount of effort into a relationship by masking and trying to fit can lead to feeling unappreciated which can lead to you developing feelings of resentment as well as them being far less invested in the relationship, which can set you up for being abandoned and potentially even exploited or abused due to the inherent asymmetric nature of the relationship.

  • You can find that all of that effort you put in means that the other person connects with a very "curated" personality that you have developed for them, rather than connecting with a more authentic version of yourself. This can lead to them feeling disconnected from you but moreso that you will feel unsatisfied and alienated in the relationship because they're not really connecting with you as a person but instead with a performance. And when that performance slips - when you need to be you - often people feel put off or deceived to see behind the mask and that can lead to them rejecting you. Also, on your side of things, when you have a connection to someone which is based on the curated version of yourself it's much more likely to feel superficial to you which makes it extremely difficult to feel genuinely connected and it becomes very easy to lose contact with people.

To elaborate a little more using an analogy, if you've ever worked in a customer-facing role then there were probably a couple of customers who you genuinely liked and looked forward to seeing, who you could be a bit more "human" with. Then there were probably the vast majority of customers you had that you felt largely indifferent to - ones who you would say the right things and put on the right smile with but you probably wouldn't even notice if they never came back through again.

That's a lot like how masking functions in a deeper sense with our relationships to others - if you're putting on something akin to a front that a customer service worker uses, you're going to come across a lot of people who seem nice enough but if you're only ever on that superficial level of connection then it's extremely easy for them to drift out of your life and for you to drift out of theirs without a second thought.

Also high maskers generally tend to have a high level of shame and social rejection, at least in their history, and this can be really corrosive to your sense of self-worth. ("Toxic" shame, if you want to use the modern lingo, but I'll spare you a dissertation on why I'm less than keen on that term because it's useful here as a conceptual distinction.) It's really difficult to form relationships when you are experiencing a high level of deep/chronic shame and low self-worth. If this is something that you deal with then neurodivergent affirming therapists and trauma therapists are going to be particularly important to help you work through this because, unfortunately, there's no simple bullet-point comment that can resolve this stuff as much as I wish it could.

With all of that said, I'd recommend that you seek out a setting where your niche interest(s) are likely to attract other neurodivergent folks. Think the nerdier stuff and the spaces which attract the diehard fans. It could be volunteering at a museum or it could be going to particular conventions or a local DnD group or a knitting circle. Whatever happens to be either something that you just love to be engrossed in or something that you could see yourself participating in which is likely to attract other neurodivergent folks to.

Generally speaking neurodivergent people are going to be easier to get along with, much easier to unmask around, and if you're like "Hey, sorry I haven't been in contact with you for the past 6 months" they're gonna be like "Eh, that's cool" or "Shit, has it been 6 months? I was supposed to have written my thesis by now and I haven't even started on it..." and you'll tend to pick back up right where you left off. (Of course neurodivergent people are people and that means you're guaranteed to find some duds too.)

Final thought: it might be worth hashing this one out with yourself or with a therapist but there's a big difference between being different/an oddball/whatever and in being an outsider. You can be a complete weirdo and still belong, even within a group of normal people. It's extremely easy to conflate your experiences of social rejection with being unconventional and to pin all the blame for the rejection you've experienced on that. The paradoxical thing in that situation is that the more you blame being unusual for social rejection, the harder you try to be normal to fit in and the more difficult it becomes, meaning that you can end up caught in a cycle that looks like:

Struggle to fit in > Get rejected > Blame being unusual > Try harder > Struggle to fit in even more > Get rejected

in an endless cycle.

If this is something that resonates with you and you feel like you want to work on it then I'd recommend finding a good narrative therapist for it because imo their practice model is much more compatible with neurodivergent people compared to something like CBT or, in this example, DBT and it's something that would be right up their alley.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Hi, I'm not FourteenEyes but this comment is a day old and speaks to my soul and I hate it:

spoiler

You can find yourself putting in a ton of energy which can lead you to burning out and this alone can really disrupt efforts to have longer lasting connections with people if you're dropping off frequently or for long periods of time.

This is me

Putting in a disproportionate amount of effort into a relationship by masking and trying to fit can lead to [...]

This is me too

You can find that all of that effort you put in means that the other person connects with a very "curated" personality [...]

This one is me also

Thing is, A) obviously nobody wants to genuinely connect with the whole actual me because I am insanely weird or something, B) there have been cases where I have poured my entire guts out to someone and had what I thought were really good conversations, discussions of trauma, real bonding over hardships and discussing how to handle them type stuff, except that the above ends up happening again anyway. They just don't wanna talk about anything I'm interested in, and also frequently are incapable of sharing anything about themselves.

Also high maskers generally tend to have a high level of shame and social rejection,

This is me too wow, incredible! No attempt at speaking to a person has ever gone truly well for me save one, so how can I not have these things?

seek out a setting where your niche interest(s) are likely to attract other neurodivergent folks.

Where and also lmao. There often aren't spaces for my weird insufferable interests, so I'm usually left screaming into the void in places tangentially related to the stuff I like, always online. Also worth noting I just do not fuck around with neurotypicals anymore if I can help it, which sadly has not helped much.

I generally resist trying to fit in which just makes me feel like an aberration everywhere I go and it's so incredibly fucking frustating holy shit. By rights I am not all that weird, certainly there must be people like me but they also must not be anywhere near where I am or the spaces in which I speak.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

I actually started reading Unmasking Autism and I'm absolutely on board for a book club for it. It's really good.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I've been struggling trying to navigate the world as autistic this year and reading a few pages of unmasking autism helped me so much. I didn't get far so I'd be down for a book club with other comrades