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[–] [email protected] 110 points 11 months ago (3 children)

That has literally been their policy since Mao. This is not news.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Xi seems to see it as a objective he intends to accomplish in his life.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago

So did his predecessors.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

First Taiwan then the rest of Asia that isn't India or Russia. They won't stop.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Well you're not wrong. But the last time they tried, it was the Vietnamese communists that stopped them. Of course that was on the ass end of 60 years of near continuous combat experience.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

"Never" is always a wrong thing to say.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Oh, we're doing the Red Scare Dominoe Theory again?

It was so fun last time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I agree about India, but you seem to overestimate Russia.

The populations and economies are just too different.

If PRC decides it needs the Russian Far East and wants it militarily, it's going to take it. Maybe only the southern parts, they don't need all the empty frozen land. Maybe in 20 years, maybe in 40, maybe in 80 years.

And in the very long term, if China subdues Central Asia in any way, then it can get a piece of southern Siberia too, but that's like trying to predict WWII from Wallenstein's times.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Eventually, if China is successful with its expansions, it will turn to Russia for more. I was talking more in my lifetime what could happen if everyone sits on its hands and lets China do as it pleases.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What importance did Taiwan hold before the chip era to raise Mao ze Donger?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The fact that it was the last refuge of the Chinese democratic republic he fought against for one thing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Let’s be fair, the ROC under the KMT and Chiang Kai-shek was far from democratic despite their claim to Sun Yat-sen’s legacy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

As seen with Chiang Kai-Shek's preferred ally against the Japanese Empire, Nazi Germany. Didn't work out for him, but if he didn't join the Allies we'd call him what he was, a corrupt fascist warlord whose only saving grace was not being the Qing Dynasty or Imperial Japan.

Communist revolutionary armies don't quintuple their size with volunteers in three years after you technically repelled a genocidal conquest when you rule with the consent of the governed.

Of course, that was then, and this is now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Chiang is hardly fascist.

Also, bear in mind that Chiang got plenty of help from the Soviets too, and the US, before both countries even fought Japan. Chiang was only glad to receive help when he could.

Communist revolutionary armies don't quintuple their size with volunteers in three years after you technically repelled a genocidal conquest when you rule with the consent of the governed.

KMT was corrupt and had to appease various warlords who allied with them. Mao exploited that inherent division to persuade the population to turn against KMT and Chiang. Mao also convinced many KMT soldiers to defect after Chiang's disastrous Manchurian campaign. There was a AskHistorians thread about it before which explains KMT's collapse and retreat to Taiwan.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

The place is a jewel. Have you learned anything about it? You don’t just randomly become the world’s leading high tech manufacturer. They have great land, great resources, a great trading location, great people, great natural defenses… Any country on Earth would flip to have Taiwan.