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The findings by a Palestinian pollster signal more difficulties ahead for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel’s stated goal of ending Hamas’ military and governing capabilities.

Washington has called for the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority, currently led by Abbas, to eventually assume control of Gaza and run both territories as a precursor to statehood. U.S. officials have said the PA must be revitalized, without letting on whether this would mean leadership changes.

The PA administers pockets of the Israeli-occupied West Bank and has governed Gaza until a takeover by Hamas militants in 2007. The Palestinians have not held elections since 2006 when Hamas won a parliamentary majority.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They have lived in fear under Hamas, but also are not going to side with the people deleting generations of their people from the face of the earth daily.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's not about 'sides', it's about not believing that Hamas has done things that it is well-recorded and easily found doing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

a yes, bevause they have time and internetbto browser their phone all day

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Internet penetration rate in Palestine is upwards of 70%, Jesus Christ

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The poll is of people in Gaza and the West Bank.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel cut their power dipshit 🙄

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The poll is of people in Gaza and the West Bank.

Israel cut their power dipshit 🙄

Oh, so the poll didn't happen? Glad to see you didn't read the fucking article, which was conducted in Gaza with in person interviews during the 'humanitarian pause'. Business as usual for you, Queermunist, more than happy to read in your own opinions to anything you didn't actually read. Israel didn't cut power to the West Bank, by the way, but I know better at this point to expect anything but dribbling contrarianism from you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's this collapse in truth that worries me more than anything. People will simply ignore reality rather than admit that this is more complicated than good side v. bad side.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What's the saying? "In war, truth is the first casualty"?

Sadly not new, nor likely to stop anytime soon. All we can do, as outside observers, is try to champion the truth, and avoid embracing lies, regardless of whether they fit our biases or not.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Only found if you have an internet connection ... which Gazans haven't had regularily since Oct 7.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gazans haven't had one regularly, but the West Bank has largely maintained service, and has a considerably higher level of support for Hamas.

I don't think 'lack of access to information' is the issue here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the West Bank isn't Gaza, is it?

Please stop trying to justify the unjustifiable.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

... the West Bank was polled here along with Gaza.

What am I trying to justify?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thinking that Palestinians in the West Bank should somehow override how Gazans polled, ofc without Gazans having stable access to the internet.

The West Bank Palestinians are pissed at the Zionists for burning down their homes and taking property that isn't theirs to take. Colonialism at its finest right there.

Gazans are dying by the thousands, and since 50% of the Gazan population was children (prior to Oct 7) Israel/IDF practiced child slaughter.

Oh, and here's a tidbit from the poll you obviously missed ... nonetheless, the majority of the Palestinians remains unsupportive of Hamas.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thinking that Palestinians in the West Bank should somehow override how Gazans polled, ofc without Gazans having stable access to the internet.

The... the poll that you posted and that I am citing is a poll of both Gazans and West Bank residents. It's not 'overriding' anything.

The West Bank Palestinians are pissed at the Zionists for burning down their homes and taking property that isn’t theirs to take. Colonialism at its finest right there.

Gazans are dying by the thousands, and since 50% of the Gazan population was children (prior to Oct 7) Israel/IDF practiced child slaughter.

Oh, and here’s a tidbit from the poll you obviously missed … nonetheless, the majority of the Palestinians remains unsupportive of Hamas.

... what does any of that have to do with me expressing horror at the denial of Hamas's war crimes? Where have I expressed the least support for Israel in this conflict? Where have I denied Israeli colonialism, ethnic cleansing, and attempts at genocide?

Where? Because it's really looking like I'm not being responded to, but an imaginary version of an Israel supporter that has zero relevance to the comments I'm actually making.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

... what does any of that have to do with me expressing horror at the denial of Hamas's war crimes?

And again how in the fuck would they know about the war crimes when they haven't had reliable, steady access to the internet?

You seem to think they should know by osmosis.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And again how in the fuck would they know about the war crimes when they haven’t had reliable, steady access to the internet?

Again, the West Bank has access to the internet, and even the internet blackouts in Gaza are intermittent to coincide with Israeli offences and minimize proof of Israeli atrocities, not steady.

If your point is "Gazans don't or shouldn't be included in that 90% denial of war crimes", then, if I accept that for the sake of argument, that's still fucking horrifying that residents of the West Bank overwhelmingly approve or deny the war crimes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So are West Bank Palestians supposed to vote twice so Gazans are covered?

Like I don't understand why you're harping on about the West Bank? The poll was done on all Palestinians (or at least the ones who had phone access). Why are you focusing on the West Bank then?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So are West Bank Palestians supposed to vote twice so Gazans are covered?

I don't understand how you got that from what I said. How is that at all an answer?

(or at least the ones who had phone access)

Again, in the article you posted it specifically mentions doing in-person interviews in Gaza.

Why are you focusing on the West Bank then?

Because you're saying Gaza should be excluded for lack of information?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because you're saying Gaza should be excluded for lack of information?

I said that because you continuously focused on the West Bank.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

I said that because you continuously focused on the West Bank.

Only found if you have an internet connection … which Gazans haven’t had regularily since Oct 7.

This you? Because that's what started this whole aside about Gaza needing to be excluded.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mate, this person is either too stupid or too unwilling to actually give a real response to you. Please save your sanity.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I tend to suspect tunnel-vision when these things happens. Happens to all of us, so I try not to form any long-lasting impressions, unless I see a pattern of it.