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What's the truth about the Uighur situation in China? Leave all the lib shit at the door, I want the actual confirmed facts about what's happening. (hexbear.net)
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[–] 1 point 6 years ago (3 children)

Can't believe 'ISIS existed so we have to put all these Muslims in camps' is an actual take

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  • [–] 2 points 6 years ago (1 child)

    Imagine you could go back in time and have an actual state power in Iraq, instead of the hollow shell US contractors left it with, and implement adequate deradicalisation programmes.

    Would you do so? Or would you wait a few years, then bomb Raqqa to rubble?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 years ago (1 child)

    I feel like there's room for nuance between doing whatever the fuck the US did and putting Muslims in camps

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  • [–] 2 points 6 years ago (1 child)

    I figured ‘use various measures to target people prone to far right extremism, teach them why that’s wrong, then provide employment, while investing in the region to address the material conditions that led to the unrest’ was the nuanced approach.

    I’m sure there are ways it can be improved, and I’m sure their approach has its excesses. I’m just so far unconvinced that there’s any better historic approach to draw upon.

    If you know of any, please let me know.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 years ago* (2 children)

    leave Xinjiang as an autonomous zone, continue to offer voluntary education and work programs and welcome any refugees to China. Carrot vs stick.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 years ago (1 child)

    The American South is a region filled with religious extremists, some of whom have already radicalized to the point of committing acts of terrorism. Should we make it its own country and fund their schools to boot? Is that likely to improve the situation or make it worse?

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  • [–] 0 points 6 years ago* (last edited 6 years ago) (2 children)

    you can make the same argument for Hamas in Palestine and Herzbollah in Lebanon. Occupying territories which do not want to be occupied is imperialism.

    Edit: sorry, I read "American South" as in South America rather than Southern USA. In the case of USA, yes an ideal leftwing government in my world would help fund a grassroots leftist resistance for BIPOC rather than forced re-education camps for poor working class white people

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  • [–] 0 points 6 years ago (1 child)

    Occupying territories which do not want to be occupied is imperialism.

    Is the U.S. occupying Mississippi and Alabama?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 years ago* (1 child)

    The CPC could give up and surrender Xinjiang to ISIS. This option condemns millions of people to living under a fundamentalist Islamic State, including many non-Muslims and non-extreme Muslims. This option creates a CIA-aligned state on the border, and jeopardises a key part of the Belt and Road initiative, which is designed to connect landlocked countries for development and geopolitical positioning. This option also threatens the CPC’s legitimacy, as keeping China together is a historical signifier of the Mandate of Heaven.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 years ago (1 child)

    The CPC could give up and surrender Xinjiang to ISIS.

    Do you really think that's what would happen if Xinjiang was given autonomy?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 years ago (1 child)

    Yes

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  • [–] 0 points 6 years ago (1 child)

    You dont think "many non-Muslims and non-extreme Muslims" could resist this on a grassroots level - especially if given humanitarian support from China?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 years ago (1 child)

    So the plan is to slice up your country knowing that a civil war is likely in the breakaway state? This is getting better and better.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 years ago* (last edited 6 years ago) (1 child)

    "your country" is why I have an issue here. The CPC doesn't own China. The people of China own China and if they have issues with the government their needs should be met.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 years ago

    ur country” is why I have an issue here. The CPC doesn’t own China. The people of China own China and if they have issues with the government their needs should be me

    "the party that rules the state of China is not responsible for the condition of the state of China" -ap1

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  • [–] 2 points 6 years ago* (1 child)

    What do you think happens to people in western countries spreading terrorist propaganda? Right they sent them to prison.
    Also western intelligence seems to be not opposed to the concept of early deradicalisation, here is an interesting take from Richard Barrett, former director of global counter-terrorism at MI6:

    We need to get to potential terrorists before radicalisation, not afterwards Once an individual has fallen for extremist propaganda, it’s hard to change their mind. Better to spot the early signs

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  • [–] 1 point 6 years ago* (1 child)

    And why should what western countries do make a difference? Are they the epitome of virtue now?

    Also, you're literally engaging in right wing talking points when you describe all the Muslims in the province as terrorists or terrorist sympathisers

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  • [–] 1 point 6 years ago

    Also, you’re literally engaging in right wing talking points when you describe all the Muslims in the province as terrorists or terrorist sympathisers

    I'm not doing that, I don't know where you get that impression, but okay.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 years ago (1 child)

    Loving the recycling of arguments used by famous humanitarian projects like Myanmar and India's camps

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  • [–] 0 points 6 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, except this time they're being used and applied correctly instead of used disingenuously by racist twats. Did you even read the fucking post?

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