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I hate chromium (fanaticus.social)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/firefox@lemmy.ml
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[+] 206 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)
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  • [–] 132 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    99% of sites only need to know your screen aspect ratio and maybe available input devices, can't think of a good reason to share anything else

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  • [–] 74 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Knowing OS is useful for download links.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Oh no, they'd have to list more than one link,the horror!

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The vast majority of people would have no clue what to download.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    having 3 different ones solves that issue though? the user can figure out whic OS they're running pretty well imo.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I can tell you've never had to do T1 tech support before.

    It's kind of staggering just how illiterate users can be.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I doubt the fix is to make them need less literacy

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    When you are competing for customers not providing the illiterate morons of the world a simple UI leads to them going to your competitor which does.

    And unfortunately those illiterate morons outnumber every one else by a significant chunk.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago*

    That's a fair perspective, but most people strive for as few clicks between users and their targets as possible. Forcing a user to become semi-tech-competent by sending them on a fetch quest to figure out their os, while not an inherently bad thing, does work against this overall goal....

    Idk, it's like education vs service industry goal setting, that's all I'm trying to get at here lol

    Edit: plus, there's no guarantee that it will remain just the big 3 for forever. There was a time before Linux, maybe we'll see a time after windows.... Unlikely, but one can dream lol

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Since we have CSS what would be the purpose of the server knowing the aspect ratio?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ideally, to save bandwidth on both sides, the server would only want to serve you the JS and CSS you need. I'm not sure how frequently that optimization is made, however.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I’m a bit rusty on this, but I think you’d need to split your Sass/SCSS/etc before Webpack will perform tree-shaking or allow lazy-loading. I don’t think many devs wrote it that way: personally, I like my mobile rules beside my desktop ones, since my styling is component-wise.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The biggest offender is, surprisingly, cloudflare. They will straight up refuse to serve you any site if your user agent is not one of the mainstream ones. It's not even "find the traffic light to prove you're human", but a page basically saying "fuck you, go away".

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Well their job is to block weird bot-looking traffic...

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    what is more likely to be a bot? a unique and trackable useragent for a semi-niche browser engine, or a vanilla Chromium+Windows which half of everyone uses ?

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    If I was a Firefox dev I'd start looking into building in user agent spoofing right into the browser.

    It already opens Facebook pages in a special isolated tab. They could have apple.com open in it's own special "safari" tab. I wonder if there's anything preventing them from doing that. I guess it could be bad because it would make their market share appear even smaller.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    User agents are not unfortunately not the only way to identify a browser, there are other ways to fingerprint a platform.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    JavaScript as it is today also need to be thrown in a trash of history. Website should not contain additional code. If someone wants to send me an app hacked on top of website rendering, it should be a popup asking me first if I want to run this.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No, dynamic content should absolutely be able to be delivered through the open Web, not just through walled gardens. Apps are almost universally shit.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's a terrible idea. Every single thing other than a block of text requires js.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This is absolutely not true and just a myth. Images, video playback, "show more", forms, tabbing, animations, custom icons, hover effects, popups, background images and videos, light/dark mode, hamburger menus...

    It's hard to count things you can do with advanced format that is HTML+CSS. Saying JavaScript is nessesary for anything other than block of text is like saying that in Minecraft command blocks are nessesary for anything other than making voxel art.

    For basic things like interacting with your bank or goverment, running any additional code should be unnessesary. And I believe this needs to be a law targeting accessibility and compatibility.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    For maps, dynamic updating, OK. But look at the web now, most sites are apps requiring 99% of web standards implemented to work. No wonder it's now impossible to actually make a new browser.

    HTML was made to last. If browser do not support some tag it would try and render it anyway. Meanwhile with today's webapps browsers in 2033 will be required to have so much technical debt that for now was exclusive to operating systems.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    i don't want them knowing desktop or mobile either. we all have good enough phones now to handle a proper website on mobile -- mobile sites are fucking garbage.

    steve jobs during the original iphone keynote did a whole segment on how you could load the full rich widescreen NYT website and zoom in and out and look at that rich text rendering. apps are ass, mobile sites are ass.

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