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First police investigation of Supernova festival also found Israeli forces responsible for some deaths.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait what??

IDF was there killing civilians too?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are reports that IDF members were there, too. Shooting back amid civilians. It was probably chaotic and nobody actually knows who was shot by whom, because Israel is refusing to even investigate. In fact they also refuse to make public how many IDF members were there and how many died or how many Hamas members died. They only categorically tell us a total number, implying all dead were peaceful civilians killed by Hamas.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

(I’m sorry if this appears multiple times. My lemmy client is giving me errors as I try to save this comment)

Active IDF members, or just citizens armed and trained from their days as active IDF?

You say they were shooting back from amid civilians. That’s not them participating in the massacre at all. That’s them defending the civilians. The best way to suppress gunfire coming into a group of people is to send gunfire back at the source.

Shooting a gun requires aiming, aiming requires looking, and looking requires exposing your head. This is why you can suppress gunfire by firing in its direction. The person has to choose between continuing to fire at you, and protecting their own head.

I say head because that’s basically what you need to expose in order to fire, if the rest of you is in cover. If the attackers aren’t in cover then firing back at them is even more effective because unless they stop firing and get to cover their entire body is in danger.

So firing back is totally legit behavior if that’s all they did.

Do you have any reports of IDF firing on other festival attendees?