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The Guardian removed a 21-year-old letter from Osama Bin Laden after a TikToker urged followers to read the al Qaeda leader's missive.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Very fascinating really, mostly religious mumbojumbo but he did make some points that are relevant till this day like

"The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes.

Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism."

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's for a reason they say "even a stopped clock is right twice a day". The fact that it was that broken clock and that his words can be perceived as still relevant after more than 20 years hints that the world has not progressed. Despite technology we're still facing the same problems, plus some more (eg. climate).

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Climate was already known to become the future's biggest problems for a long time back then. I read once that Al Gore campaigned in the 1980s with climate change as one of the action points. So no, it's not a new problem.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I read once that Al Gore campaigned in the 1980s with climate change as one of the action points.

I was taught climate change in earth science in high school in 1982. The was no controversy. It was taught as an accepted fact and settled science, which it was.

It has been heart breaking to see basically the worst case predictions come true.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

And what we've seen so far is only the start, my heart does indeed ache when I think about what is to come.

One bright spot is that the climate change tragedy inspired this simply amazing onion news piece: https://www.google.com/url?q=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DyjfrJzdx7DA&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjJicrxl8iCAxWcxgIHHV3WDVAQtwJ6BAgKEAE&usg=AOvVaw2qSrV1Lq5NP6h5MJHedODg

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Haha. Never saw that.

Dude had me rolling, "I think afterwards I will take my own life. What will I have done?"

Lol.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

oh yeah it was known if the momentum coming out of the 70's kept going straight through to now we would likely not be in such a bad spot. We would still be talking about climate change as a future thing. Unfortunately reagan removed jimmies solar panels from the white house and taught-ed how taxes and regulation was bad and greed is good and the market will take care of everything and well now we are here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Fucking reganomics wrecked everything good we had going for us.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This shit is amazing and I want to do a punk cover of it badly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

yeah it and midnight oil beds are burning are super up there with me on commentary of our modern world or what it came from. Surprisingly tull made a new album called the zealot gene which bowled me over by capturing the recent times.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

And it still is, too.

If you cannot walk outside the door wherever you are right now and see the evidence of climate change it's only because you don't know what to look for, cause it's there.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

from what I recall there was a fair amount of people saying that Bin Laden had some fair points, even at the time, but that the methodology was, of course , vile and reprehensible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You can read it yourself and it's obvious.

Yeah industrial waste is bad, good point! Dude still subscribes to ideology that sees women executed for learning to read. Anyone who doesn't agree with his worldview is a "disbeliever" and an acceptable target for murder.

These are the insane ramblings of someone with zero ability to empathize with others or think critically about their beliefs. He believes in nonsense. Prophets on prophets until Mohammed came along and said "god is all powerful but I am the last prophet and there can be no prophets after me." Hmm, guess God isn't all powerful and the whole thing is a crock of shit then.

OBL was a typical Republican.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was more trying to highlight the weirdness of feeling at the time that there was a wall of ultra-jingoistic nationalism in the wake of a huge tragedy (cf. the Dixie Chicks getting cancelled for not liking Dubya Bush), and then some people reading Bin Laden's work and trying to have a level headed conversation about the causes, impacts and diplomacy going forward in the face of "Saudi operatives attacked us, let's bomb Afghanistan(?!)"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

It's a mad world.