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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

A comment at NYT.

It seems to me, as a retired geophysicist, that they could use seismic sounding techniques to find the tunnels. Secondly, the fact that it is murderously hard to find the tunnels, and root out the terrorists hiding in them/using them, is no excuse to instead bomb apartments, refugee camps, and hospitals above them. There is just no excuse for that, that allows you to retain any moral authority. Instead, you become, as bad as they are.

I would use seismic wave detection techniques, and gas or otherwise poison them in the tunnels. And overwhelm them with wave after wave of onslaught from all entrance directions that doesn’t kill the people above. Despite the troop losses.

The fact that the Israeli state believes that they have the sole right to the land of Israel based on their history and faith does not mean that the people who had been living on that land prior to the Israelis pushing them out in the late 40s have any less valid claim. Pushing people off the land they have been living on for years is also known as forced relocation, which is a war crime.

65 year old woman, former republicans now long term democrat, not religious, and not at all comfortable with my tax dollars supporting the murder of people in Gaza.

And, obviously, Hamas are terrorists and what they did on 10/7 was horrific - as is the violence and land grabbing by settlers in the West Bank, and what the Israelis did to the Palestinians in the late 40s.

Neither side has clean hands here - nor do we.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

She's that close to simpathize with palestinian resistance, she knows the suffering. How can she not understand the struggle for liberation?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

oBvIoUsLy HaMaS aRe TeRrOrIsTs

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you have to to say that in America otherwise your neighbours talk to the FBStasi and get you watchlistes

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Death to terrorists of course, but fuck yeah lets go Hamas, go kick some ass

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

they could use seismic sounding techniques to find the tunnels

yes, they could do that, but it would take ages to do seismic surveys all over Gaza (it's a big fucking place!) even in the best of conditions and those surveyors could be captured/killed by Hamas in that time (justifiably, I think, in this situation). Also, finding the exact location of voids is hard even if you know where they are in advance, and when they're like within 10 feet of the surface. There's a reason why tunnels continue to be a problem for cross-border smuggling, as well as the odd prison escape, and those tunnels aren't usually 60 feet underground.