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The trial over an effort in Minnesota to keep former President Donald Trump off of the 2024 ballot began Thursday at the state Supreme Court as a similar case continued in Colorado.

The lawsuits in both states allege Trump should be barred from the 2024 ballot for his conduct leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol. They argue Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election results violated Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, which says no one who has “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” after swearing an oath to support and defend the Constitution can hold office.

A group of Minnesota voters, represented by the election reform group Free Speech for People, sued in September to remove Trump from the state ballot under the 14th Amendment provision. The petitioners include former Minnesota Secretary of State Joan Growe and former state Supreme Court Justice Paul H. Anderson.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I see real chance that this is Civil War 2 in the making.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

let them shit or get off the pot, then. MAGA has been trying to extort us with the threat of civil war for years now.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You don't want civil war or even cession in a country loaded with nukes. That shit tends to spill.

Also, this would inevitably lead to Christian extremists with access to nukes which will lead them to immediately believe that they were chosen by God to use them

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How are the Christian extremists in this scenario going to launch the nukes it's not just a button that you press that says "go".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Right? In fact, to the contrary, it's a super complicated and locked down process and the people who are meant to actually execute it are among the most highly-trained and vetted in the US military and are obliged to pass an ongoing series of exams in order to maintain eligibility for service on the nuclear arsenal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Come now, people here believed Trump had the actual launch "codes" in the papers at MarALago. They aren't going to fall for your complicated explanation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There was that report that the folks that are stationed at our missile silos sleep on the job and leave shit unlocked. It is not unreasonable to think a concerted group could get ahold of nuclear material if not the actually missiles. A dirty bomb is still scary

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It is not unreasonable to think a concerted group could get ahold of nuclear material if not the actually missiles.

Like these guys have the brains they probably irradiate themselves, saving everyone else the trouble.

They've not exactly demonstrated themselves to be capable of high level concepts have they? I mean so far they've essentially wondered around inside a ineffectively guarded building. The hardly military strategists.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

But in Modern Warfare 2, all I had to do was go into a Russian sub and hit the launch button! Sarcasm obviously

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They will get access to warheads. I'd they get access to codes (could be) they can fire them immediately. If they don't get the codes, they still have the fucking warheads that are "relatively easy" to disassemble and made to explode in an alternate way. Once you have hands on access, that's it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Gilead demands compliance

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I don't want it, no. But the only two possible answers to extortion are to give up all of your power permanently to the person making the threats or to call them on it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doubtful too fat, lazy and old and we whooped the racists in the last one anyway. We’ll fucking do it again.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And even before that, none of these wingnuts can even agree with each other within their "own" side. Even the January 6th insurrection attempt was complete disorganized chaos, and that clusterfuck was the closest they ever got to being organized. They'll spend more time bickering and turning on each other for dumbshit reasons ("Look, this guy is wearing elevator shoes!") than accomplishing any actual objectives. I'm sure lone fuckheads can cause localized destruction and chaos here and there if they felt like it, but that'll never amount to an overthrow of anything.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m also not convinced most of the people there on Jan 6 expected to actually accomplish anything. Most seemed just like idiot hooligans who wanted to fuck shit up. They didn’t have any clue what they’d do long term.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I think you're right. Most of the Jan 6 seditionists were just there to have a rally. Most. Some legitimately traitorous people planned to do some heinous shit under the cover of the mob. That's why it was allowed to get out of control; it was part of the plan.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They are like the Hitler youth without the charismatic leader. They would be a useful tool for someone to seize power, but they'd have to be organised and no one really seems to exist that can do that. The only person they actually listen to isn't smart enough to think of a whole sentence in one go.

He's definitely not going to be the charismatic leader to organise the unwashed masses.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Who will win in a fight 400 annoying angry rednecks or one tank?

Yeah that's a tough one

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Of course, everyone in the military is perfectly stable non-violent person with no extreme views and opinions.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Largely, they obey the chain of command. And for better or worse, the highest ranks of the military have shown to be downright level-headed on the topic of there never being a military coup in the US.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The senior officer corps is dominated by highly-competent and committed individuals who absolutely despise Trump for many very obvious reasons. He may have some popularity among the enlisted ranks, but they aren't the people who know how the machinery operates on a macro scale. Real warfare requires coordination on a massive scale and nobody outside of the Pentagon is in any position to make that happen. Do you know how to command a carrier group or an infantry division? Do I? The only people who do are elite high-ranking officers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In coventional warfare, the tank probably wins, but modern civil wars are asymmetrical. Just look at Syria and Myanmar, two countries that have tanks and fighter jets.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but as long as you are looking at stuff take a gander at the gravy seals who use the 5XL size camo vest and who will give up as soon as they run out of cheetos.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The rednecks if at least one of them knows about explosives.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's going to take a lot more than a homemade pipe bomb to get through the armour of a tank, assuming they don't blow themselves up in the process of making it they would then have to actually get near the tank, which I don't think they'd be able to do.

Anyway most of them are delusional but they actually have lives back home They're not going to risk their own life. January 6th was different because they essentially got no pushback, most of them just wandered around and yelled things they didn't really contribute in any real way. The moment their lives are at risk I suspect their enthusiasm would rather evaporate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Could go for the engine, barrel, or the tracks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I dunno, if that laughably inept shit he pulled on Jan 6 was his beer hall putch I don't think this guy could manage a civil war. You may be giving him too much credit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's all good fam, it happens to the best of us. No worries