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I don't even agree with your shit how am I better at it than you. How are you gonna jerk off over the rules based societal order and then claim you can ignore whatever highest court you have because you personally disagree. mfer you just reinvented feudalism again

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Then we must say that it was completely seized and perverted by opportunists, at least in the anglophone context (and in France, from what I can tell), since it is just another cudgel of chauvinism to be wielded against the imperialized when it is discussed in Popular Discourse (tm).

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

completely seized and perverted by opportunists

except in the places it was most successful and influential as actual policy? literally what did the soviets do besides what could be judged not far enough in retrospect? the actual history of atheism is not richard dawkins, its a straight line from jacobins to the bolsheviks, a legacy the nu-athiests were actually very keen to avoid. this bending over backwards to amend for the time imperialists figured out how to posture atheism against state enemies (for a vanishingly small portion of these respective country's populations) in effect ignores the almost universally positive effects of state atheism and revolutionary action against organized religion have achieved in the past 300 years.

like i know you specified anglo-french but when they constitute both a minority in their own nations and a speck of the worldwide mass of atheists it feels terribly misleading

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

idk if the jacobins are really the best example, the reactionary backlash to hardline anticlericalism destroyed them. in retrospect napoleon breaking the spine of european feudalism did more to turn europe functionally atheist than anyone who was actually trying