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I disagree I think that restrictions and rules like that make you smaller if you never push back against them. People have a right to exist and make noise in their own homes
I grew up in a house where every noise I made was a cause of me being told off and I really hated it. If you let such people boss you about it's like you lose something of yourself it is deeply unpleasant to live under those confines
Being yelled at as a child for doing something inside your home is the same thing as pushing an 80 decibel machine outside for 2 hours at 7 am
it's the same arguments and I apologise but I reflexively react in this way to them
I have been bossed around and made to feel small my whole life with these talking points and so I find them more than a little upsetting
I'm on the 6am mowers being evil train but also a fierce advocate of kids being allowed to be rampant shits. We exist.
Framing things in terms of rights and not outcomes is a silly exercise in personal incredulity.
I disagree I think rights are a meaningful framework for discussing behaviour. People can have a right to for example disablity access even if it's annoying and more costly to the group
it's also relevant here because when it comes down to it this argument boils down to who has a right to command. The other side of this argument is intrinsically tied to the concept of right to peace and quiet
My guy this just sounds like centrism with extra steps
how is that centrism I am saying that there are conflicting rights here and if one interest is allowed to dominate the other then it results in a deeply unpleasant living situation.
Ok right but you live in a shared space, regardless of whether you nominally own the property or not
that's why I said home and not house. Your home is where you live owned or not
there is a balance of what is banned and what is allowed. Banning things because you find them annoying can be unreasonable and costs the people around you. It is a way that your personal space can expand and constrict others
for example no loud noises after a certain time means people can't have friends round or company in their own home. I had a landlord that forbade bringing romantic partners overnight and that effectively banned me from having a love life
granted I used to be shouted at and berated for drinking water in "the wrong way" so I am particularly unsympathetic to people complaining about annoying noises. But the people doing that always felt justified because I was in a shared space ignoring the fact I didn't have any private space
some people think that various ethnicities shouldn't be allowed to cook their foods because it creates a smell in the shared space
How about banning lawn mowers and lawns because they are both ugly and destructive to the environment and annoying to hear.
I fail to see why anyone should have the right to dump pollution all over just so they can keep a monoculture lawn a specific height and prevent any blooming flowers from popping up.
Let's not forget what the oop was actually complaining about. And also I have been woken up in the morning by a leaf blower outside my house and it sucks, use a big outdoor broom, it makes less allergens in the air for neighbors too.
yeah screw lawns have gardens
People can take measures to reduce their vulnerability to loud noises from outside their home if it is a frequent problem.
Plenty of obnoxious noises are just a normal part of living, barking dogs, crying babies, people maintaining their homes at the times they can, and I'm personally tired of the petty authoritarian efforts of people to control when and where people can do things for their own convenience beyond all reason.
fuck you let me sleep
Earplugs are, like, ten dollars
why the fuck should i sleep with earplugs every night just in case some jackass runs a lawnmower in the morning when they could instead not run the lawn mower so fucking early in the goddamn morning?
Why should someone sweat their ass off in the midday sun so you can save ten dollars?
read my comment again, it's definitely not about the $10
I know what your point is, I just think it's silly. Have you ever worked a landscaping job? Yardwork in the midday sun is pretty much torture, so wearing earplugs needs to be worse than that for me to agree with you.
damn it's a real shame there is no time between 7 and 12 that's less hot than 1pm.
Wait, are you saying people are mowing their lawns at 6am? I thought we were talking, like, 8.
nah 8 is too early. i could be talked into accepting loud shit at 10 am
Yeah nah 10 is a full ten degrees warmer than 8 in the summer and the sun's already high in the sky