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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This won't work. Do you want more unmedicated people with guns?

People with mental health issues wouldn't ever seek care if owning a firearm was linked to healthcare. Now we're stigmatizing mental health treatment.

We want people to get care and be managed so they can live a normal life.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Do you want more unmedicated people with guns?

If they wanted that, they'd do things like oppose red flag laws, insist background checks remained functionally optional, oppose effective waiting periods and oppose mandatory safe storage laws.

People with mental health issues wouldn't ever seek care if owning a firearm was linked to healthcare.

Is "some people care more about their guns than the safety and mental health of themselves and their family" supposed to be an argument for the existing gun laws?

Now we're stigmatizing mental health treatment.

Who exactly is "we" here?

The pro-gun community rushes to blame anyone but themselves, all the while seething with indignation that they get lumped in with people who murder their partners or kill as many children as they can, just because they bought the same guns, from the same stores, under the same systems, with the same requirements as the murderer.

But boy they're not shy doing unto others.

Half the world population will experience mental health problems in their lifetime. If the 80% of mass murderers using legally purchased guns is a low enough figure to sweep under the rug, the fraction of a fraction of mentally ill people carrying out mass murders isn't even a speck of dust.

This man received urgent mental healthcare, to the standard that modern healthcare can provide anywhere in the world. Then he killed 20 people and injured over a dozen more with his legal firearm.

If you're so certain that mental healthcare is the answer, you can give up your guns until you finish building your perfect healthcare utopia. Maybe you could start with the military, since apparently you have to be mentally ill to kill someone with a gun.

Until then, the current gun laws are horrifically and demonstrably inadequate at keeping guns out of the hands of violent people, despite 25 years of pro-gun cultists insisting that they and they alone have the solutions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah that's an issue that I would anticipate as well but at least now we are exploring options and identifying what may or may not work and what the trade offs are rather than pretending that it's an impossibility like Mario was doing.