chapotraphouse

I understand, though it's unavoidable for it to be an ideological issue now.

Its very true, with meat consumption it become some sort of weird treats based nationalism. Although i'd argue its mostly part of the ruling class or imperial core, and the non beneficiary defenders are the usual outcast exceptions.

The fact that carnist ideology is so widespread and aggressively entrenched makes an all-or-nothing approach only escalate the defensive reaction toward criticism. It's rough.

thats more or less my position, I see veganism as an ultimate goal, I just have a hard time with the getting there part. To be fairly honest my reaction has mostly been one of surprise, I have never seen any space online or off with any actual vegans. Like any with any ideology or understanding behind them. I've never seen the whole thing as something deserving of a split, just a means to an end, that being a healthy and happy society. If that makes sense.