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How many civilians died during the American revolution?
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You're right of course but I've always hated that. Sure I ate your lunch but that doesn't mean you can have some of my dinner, we've moved past that now.
The other examples you've cited are more applicable and I've tried, at least with Ireland, most of the people I talk to find it easier to emphasize with people they consider white. I've also tried to explain the bombs "civilized" countries drop are pretty goddamn impartial and brutal with who they kill as well but it hasn't really got me anywhere. Thanks for the further examples though