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What's something you used to like as a kid that you now, as an adult, realize had some pretty fucked up messaging? (hexbear.net)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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For me it's Dragon Ball Z, that was a pretty fucked up show tbh.

Like holy shit, all the characters are terrible people except maybe Gohan and Trunks.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I want to disagree with the general vibe that it is the job of fiction to be perfect and unproblematic in every way.

I don't think anyone here declared that desire, let alone intent. You're condemning something that isn't happening in this thread.

It really is possible to enjoy something while also accepting that it has problematic elements. You claim you are already doing that, yet you're also claiming (falsely) that people here are demanding "perfect and unproblematic" fiction, which is nowhere to be found in this thread.

but it doesn't inherently make any fiction objectively 'bad'.

There's some pretty bad literature out there that has affected people in a bad way more than it did in a good way and has had a distinctly lasting negative impact on the societies that consumed it. Mein Kampf, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and Atlas Shrugged all come to mind.

No one is immune to propaganda, and trying to stop people from criticizing entertainment is itself a political statement in support of the status quo by trying to omit dissent and critique.

EDIT: As one more example, yes I will say it's probably "objectively" bad when 4ch!n fascists goad impressionable young people into binge watching gory snuff films to "numb" them in exchange for social acceptance there.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not trying to stop criticism of entertainment, that's a massive assumption.

If I've misread the vibe, that's okay, I could be wrong, it's just what I've felt. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm not trying to stop criticism of entertainment

that's a massive assumption.

This part at the start did resemble something like that and didn't seem like that much of a massive assumption on my part:

I want to disagree with the general vibe that it is the job of fiction to be perfect and unproblematic in every way.

I don't think anyone here asked for or even wanted that, myself included.

Apologies for any misunderstanding.

It's all good. zizek-ok