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[–] 10 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (8 children)

Protests that don't involve property damage are easy to ignore. Any protest of significant momentum will involve property damage if the state responds with violence, as is the case in France.

Looting is a result of youth and poverty, not culture, and the belief otherwise is racist. When immigrants are held to the underclass and murdered by the state, the immigrants are conveniently going to be encouraged to do looting on camera as a way to invalidate the broader protest.

I apologize for the slightly more aggressive framing previously.

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  • [–] 3 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    Try Maidan 2013/2014: not easy to ignore, no looting. Protesters themselves protected shops against government-led thugs.

    Looters harm the original goal and I find any attempts to justify it to be harmful, if your goal is to change anything.

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  • [–] 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

    I don't have a pat response here, just a series of potentially conflicting ideas:

    • participants in a riot each have individual goals, no one's vetting at the door
    • police/state actors have a vested interest in making the protest look bad or dangerous to the middle class
    • looting big box stores is fully moral, if employees aren't being harmed

    I have no context why the French protesters didn't stop some things and Ukrainian protesters did. I could baselessly speculate but regardless, the issues being protested are genuine and the media is going to amplify any property damage, or invent some if none is available otherwise. Recall how CHAZ/CHOP coverage looked in US media.

    altr

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  • [–] -2 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

    why are you insulting me? where is the racism in what i said?

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  • [–] 1 point 19 hours ago* (2 children)

    I believe you didn't intend this meaning but please take a momemt to reflect why people get mad at the argument in the way you stated it:

    The problem is you attributed the looting and violence to ,,people not well integrated". Which translates to ,,those people cause problems because they're (muslim, arab etc.) migrants", which indeed is a xenophobic/racisg argument as it attributes the unvavorable behavior to the ethnicity of the subjects. Reality is people loot and cause trouble because they're marginalized and most of all because they're poor. If you factor in those two aspects negative things like crime rates are no longer significantly different if you, for example, compare poor, marginalized French with and without migrational background.

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  • [–] 2 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    No, it does not translate to that (?)

    I said that one of two violent groups is largely of migrant background (probably more second and third generation than actual immigrants). And that they are badly integrated and often straight out hostile to French culture and society.

    This is because in the reality thing out there that's the case.

    I did not even talk about the reasons you already assume i'm a racist and see it as a direct consequence of the race/culture of the immigrants.

    I'm out of here, have fun in your bubble...

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  • [–] 1 point 27 minutes ago*

    And that they are badly integrated and often straight out hostile to French culture and society.

    And I told you that basing your argument about hate for France due to migration background and not socio-economic factors (which has been proven to be the main driver) makes your argument racist.

    I did not even talk about the reasons you already assume i'm a racist

    You just confirmed again above that immigration is to blame and that these people hate France... so what's the problem with me implying that?

    I've tried to explain to you why the argument you're making is xenophobic or racist. Stick to your worldview if you want, after all, we still have freedom of speech, but then don't complain when people call you racist for making arguments like that.

    I'm out of here, have fun in your bubble...

    The pot calling the kettle black.

    So let's both ride off into the sunset on our high horses...

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