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[+] -21 points 21 hours ago (13 children)

I think he's talking about the badly integrated or straightout hostile to french society and culture who use the protests as an opportunity to go looting and destroying. Not the legitimate protesters.

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  • [–] 15 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

    “In the face of this senseless destruction and unjustified violence, perhaps it is now clear to everyone why Hungary advocates the strictest possible approach to migration, and why we will not weaken our border protection or immigration policy under any pressure,“

    He made no such distinction.

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  • [+] -10 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

    "Let there be no doubt: peaceful and lawful protest is one thing; vandalism and violence are quite another. The former is a fundamental right; the latter is a serious crime."

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  • [–] 8 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

    ...he's talking about the badly integrated or straightout hostile to french society and culture who use the protests as an opportunity to go looting and destroying.

    Where this?

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  • [+] -9 points 20 hours ago (1 child)

    He made the destinction between peaceful protesters and the violent.

    He does not explicitly say the rest, i interpreted that (hence "i think").

    The violents are two groups: left extremists and looters/vandals without political goals

    The looters and vandals are largely of migrant background.

    I also criticise him for making it sound as all violence comes from the second group. But that does not mean a large part of the senseless violence does come from them.

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  • [–] 10 points 19 hours ago

    If it’s just that, then why bring up border control and immigration? Just an unrelated aside? Or perhaps he’s implying the vandals and looters are… immigrants?

    Either you are intentionally misleading and disingenuous or just plain ignorant.

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  • [–] 10 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (7 children)

    Protests that don't involve property damage are easy to ignore. Any protest of significant momentum will involve property damage if the state responds with violence, as is the case in France.

    Looting is a result of youth and poverty, not culture, and the belief otherwise is racist. When immigrants are held to the underclass and murdered by the state, the immigrants are conveniently going to be encouraged to do looting on camera as a way to invalidate the broader protest.

    I apologize for the slightly more aggressive framing previously.

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  • [–] 3 points 15 hours ago (1 child)

    Try Maidan 2013/2014: not easy to ignore, no looting. Protesters themselves protected shops against government-led thugs.

    Looters harm the original goal and I find any attempts to justify it to be harmful, if your goal is to change anything.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

    I don't have a pat response here, just a series of potentially conflicting ideas:

    • participants in a riot each have individual goals, no one's vetting at the door
    • police/state actors have a vested interest in making the protest look bad or dangerous to the middle class
    • looting big box stores is fully moral, if employees aren't being harmed

    I have no context why the French protesters didn't stop some things and Ukrainian protesters did. I could baselessly speculate but regardless, the issues being protested are genuine and the media is going to amplify any property damage, or invent some if none is available otherwise. Recall how CHAZ/CHOP coverage looked in US media.

    altr

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  • [–] -2 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

    why are you insulting me? where is the racism in what i said?

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  • [–] 1 point 18 hours ago* (1 child)

    I believe you didn't intend this meaning but please take a momemt to reflect why people get mad at the argument in the way you stated it:

    The problem is you attributed the looting and violence to ,,people not well integrated". Which translates to ,,those people cause problems because they're (muslim, arab etc.) migrants", which indeed is a xenophobic/racisg argument as it attributes the unvavorable behavior to the ethnicity of the subjects. Reality is people loot and cause trouble because they're marginalized and most of all because they're poor. If you factor in those two aspects negative things like crime rates are no longer significantly different if you, for example, compare poor, marginalized French with and without migrational background.

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  • [–] 2 points 13 hours ago

    No, it does not translate to that (?)

    I said that one of two violent groups is largely of migrant background (probably more second and third generation than actual immigrants). And that they are badly integrated and often straight out hostile to French culture and society.

    This is because in the reality thing out there that's the case.

    I did not even talk about the reasons you already assume i'm a racist and see it as a direct consequence of the race/culture of the immigrants.

    I'm out of here, have fun in your bubble...

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