Like the Romans used to drink from lead cups. Something like that.


(it appears that the moderator is removing any replies with which he disagrees. It might be a piefed issue. But all the removed replies are top level and upopular. Stranger coincidences have happened I suppose.)

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[+] -8 points 15 hours ago (37 children)

eating animal flesh and excretions, my hope of hopes is that future generations look back at our treatment of other animals in abject horror.

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  • [–] 21 points 15 hours ago (17 children)

    Consumption of animal meat has been done by humans for over 2 million years and there is nothing wrong with it.

    I agree that intensive animal farming is bad and humans need to reduce their meat consumption to be more in harmony with nature but it’s not inherently bad.

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  • [–] 10 points 14 hours ago (9 children)

    done by humans for over 2 million years and there is nothing wrong with it

    The former does not imply the latter.

    Cooking is a great example - eating cooked food might be the defining feature that seperated homo from other primates, and yet all cooked food is much more carcinogenic than raw.

    Just because we literally evolved to do something and have been doing it for millions of years doesn't mean there are no drawbacks, or that it doing it won't kill us.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago (3 children)

    The former does not imply the latter.

    it does. it doesnt conclusively prove it, but it is evidence toward it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago (2 children)

    the king is here, we can finally have it our way!

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  • [–] -2 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

    Just because we literally evolved to do something and have been doing it for millions of years doesn't mean there are no drawbacks

    Missed the part where I said no drawbacks.

    or that it doing it won't kill us.

    Missed this too, apparently.

    Are you making the argument that, in the future, eating meat will be determined to be unhealthy even though, as you put it, “we literally evolved to do” it?

    Or perhaps there’s nothing wrong with eating meat, in and of itself, but consumption at the current scale is unhealthy? In no small part due to the potential for advanced viruses and illnesses created by jamming a bunch of animals together in confined spaces .

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  • [–] 9 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

    To me "there is nothing wrong with it" implies there are no negatives, so no drawbacks, no chance it might kill us, etc.

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  • [–] 0 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

    Really? To you “there is nothing wrong with it" implies no negatives? None at all?

    Are you a Sith? Do you deal only in absolutes?

    If you were overhearing a conversation and person A tells person B, “sometimes I do 70 in a 65 zone to keep up with traffic”

    And person B says, “there’s nothing wrong with it”

    you’d have to chime in and let them know “exceeding the speed limit significantly increases the likelihood of a collision and the severity of injuries in an accident” because they just implied there are no negatives to speeding?

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  • [–] 0 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

    I agree that intensive animal farming is bad and humans need to reduce their meat consumption to be more in harmony with nature but it’s not inherently bad.

    Well, YES IT IS.
    What were you, raised under a rock or something...?

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  • [–] 1 point 12 hours ago (1 child)

    No, it’s not. Feel free to look up the definition of inherently and argue with the English language though.

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  • [–] -3 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

    your response is literally what this thread is about.

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  • [–] 5 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

    So eating meat hasn’t been unhealthy for 2 million+ years but it will become unhealthy all of a sudden?

    Or maybe your trying to shoehorn your personal beliefs to fit the question.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 hours ago

    I have no problem with sustainable and ethical consumption of animals, but it doesn't exist right now. I think every human on this planet struggled at some point with the cognitive dissonance of farming practices

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    yes! dairy and eggs and all the blood and pus that goes with it. look up somatic cell count to learn more. its disgusting, destructive, unnecessary, and horrifically cruel. edit: here's a link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatic_cell_count

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  • [–] 5 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

    I know animal-farming is beyond cruel and disgusting at this point, but I don't know anything about somatic cell count issues. Oh boy...

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  • [–] -3 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

    good on you for not being afraid of new information, even if it's scary. you can tell by the downvotes people think clicking a little downward arrow will keep the cognitive dissonance away for just a moment longer.

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  • [–] 1 point 15 hours ago (2 children)

    Well, I just upvoted your comment above mine, FWIW. :D

    Yeah, I'm a weird one in wanting to walk through facts & reality to get to the other side, no matter how bad the news is. Very little harsh news depresses me anymore, maybe because I know what our endgame will be, approximately. We embarked on this path 10-12Kyrs ago when we made the global power grab upon mass-agriculture. But that's a long story, haha.

    That said, loads of things these days make me sad, and there's no question that each day's news nowadays is usually a load of heart-break. So I can certainly understand why most folks want to live in more comfortable reality-bubbles than mine.

    (not to sound all pretentious or anything XD)

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  • [–] 3 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

    The wikipedia page doesn’t go super in depth, but it seems like somatic cell count is just a measurement of how much infectious schmutz is in milk? Why is this concerning?

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  • [–] 0 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

    how much blood and pus would you like in your diet?

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  • [–] 3 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

    I've had duck blood soup before. It's pretty good.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 hours ago (2 children)

    As a vegetarian i have to agree. Duck blood and tofu hot pot is spectacularly delicious.

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