It's Dork Kremlinology

I have been unsure how to talk about all this since the abuse allegations popped up on my radar. Passing along accusations from people who say they were abused makes sense, and noting when figures have said really creepy things or hired / funded people they were romantically entangled with, but I have never met any of these people or exchanged more than a few brief text messages with them and its hard to know the shape of their lives and goals.

I'm being a bit flippant with the previous post, but really, Gyges was right to retract this. A number of the allegations he's resurfacing are serious, and there most likely is more abuse going on the rat scene than has come to light... but leaning so heavily on Twitter posts as primary-source evidence makes his whole effort here come off as lightweight and cranky. To me, rather than a scathing exposé, this resembles a Dear Lowtax letter from somebody who got banned from Something Awful (a place where some of the moderators really were pedophiles, who really did have to be evicted from the community and prosecuted!).

We've known for a long time that Aella's attitudes are problematic, and that we don't want to spend time with her in olfactory distance, let alone tactile distance. Nothing new there. This Brangus dude was previously unknown to me, which is probably a good sign that my social-media hygiene of staying strictly away from Twitter is working... but also, and I don't mean to say this by way of minimization, he ultimately seems like yet one more Tate-swilling Twitter manosphere bigot. He just happens to be the one infesting Gyges' community of affinity. It would be hard to make the case, given the evidence presented, that he's done much more than perform for the tech-savvy subset of Rogan/Tate adherents. Enough that people should reconsider associating with him, yes, but not enough to convict and remove him from public life.

And his conclusion starts off so laughable that it drowns out any accusation he might level against Yudkowsky. Yudkowsky is a great man whose most recent equivalent is... Lenin?! What on earth? Yudkowsky doesn't even measure up to Hubbard, his closest American parallel. The only grace I am willing to give Yudkowsky is that he has not, generally, been as openly predatory or as single-mindedly focused on creating a high-control organization as Hubbard was. Yudkowsky's attempts at re-establishing group control and setting boundaries against outgroups typically consist of whiny tweets and LW posts that very quickly reach into "ur not takin p(doom) seriously!" hyperbole. The Sea Org and Guardian's Office this is not.

I also strictly disagree with Gyges' implicit assumption that Yudkowsky was the most effective popularizer of these ideas, or somehow more effective than Kurzweil. Without Kurzweil projecting exponential growth curves forward and back in time, no VC GP in the mid-2010s is going to start writing checks for the early generations of genAI. And, for crying out loud, I distinctly remember Disney children's TV having an episode about grey goo taking over the world in 1996! https://gargwiki.net/Walkabout Almost 10 years before Kurzweil published The Singularity is Near, and two years before the first Harry Potter book would be published in the US! Omitting Kurzweil and Drexler to hype Yudkowsky is just plain silly. And no, he's not on a level with Lenin; we can already tell that the AI companies' marketing which adapts AI-doom ideas is backfiring and being laughed at by the general public.

I've gone on for too long, partly because this is a diverting way to procrastinate, but by the end of this, Gyges once again demonstrates why he's an unreliable fellow traveler. I am very reluctant to quote directly from a document that has been officially retracted, but the second to last paragraph where he talks about "understand[ing] what people mean when they say certain ideas are demonic, and that they spread like a disease..." Hmm, you obviously spend a lot of time on Twitter to dig all this shit up, tell me, what's the "mind virus" they keep ranting about over there? Fuck you, Gyges, you're a few invitation-snubs or one bad layoff away from goose-stepping with the rest of them.

I agree. He gets over his skis with too many speculative scenarios. On the other hand I think he's spot-on about the techniques rationalists use to filter for people who will tolerate abuse (e.g., the "cow question"). And he brings receipts when it comes to Brangus and his interactions with other prominent rationalists.

I am not sure if Yud actually touches under-18s, or just has desires, but none of these people should be anywhere near minors or allowed in a position of responsibility (I suspect something happened between him and his disciple before 2014, and these people show no ability to learn from their own mistakes).

The later section about Brangus (Ronny Fernandez) was damning. I've seen him come up in discussions a few times, but I too had no idea just how depraved and dangerous he was. Nor did I realize how central he was to the whole scene. This guy feels like he's going to be Brent Dill 2.0 but worse.

EDIT: This also sheds light on the recent ouster of the leader of "Pause AI", Fernandez's ex-wife.

I had suspicions personally.