▲ 114 ▼ Far-right AfD win in Germany is ‘grave moment’ for Europe, politicians warn (www.theguardian.com) submitted 1 day ago by supersquirrel@lemmy.ca to c/europe@feddit.org 44 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 1 point 22 hours ago (1 child) What can we do about this? permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 21 hours ago (2 children) Perhaps we could start addressing the issues that the AfD is using as campaign talking points and that the others choose to ignore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago (1 child) People in (former) East Germany believe that they are forgotten by all the traditional political parties. And that nobody attempts to take care of them. So most of them see it as a protest vote. As an aside, about two thousand billion euros have been invested in the former Eastern Germany by the country and EU since the reunification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mucki@feddit.org 1 point 17 hours ago (1 child) Source for the "two thousand billion"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 point 17 hours ago (1 child) Local news yesterday night. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mucki@feddit.org 2 points 17 hours ago (2 children) That's no source. Which outlet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GardenGeek@europe.pub 5 points 17 hours ago Source seems to be Joachim Ragnith (economist, vice leader of ifo Dresden) https://www.msn.com/de-de/finanzen/wirtschaft/%C3%B6konom-joachim-ragnitz-seit-1991-sind-knapp-1-9-billionen-euro-von-west-nach-ost-geflossen/ar-AA2by3p1 Pinpointing a number is difficult for various reasons though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 child) I think it was arte in "le dessous des cartes". Not completely sure though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 3 points 11 hours ago* I can confirm: The number is mentioned at about 2:00 in the German version. https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/126925-113-A/mit-offenen-karten-im-fokus/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 child) Meeting the AFD at their terms ("inhaltlich stellen") is exactly what the CDU tried, and look where that got them. Answering facism with "well okay maybe we do have too many outsiders and queer people" doesn't solve facism, it simply creates more. And at the end of the day people still vote for the OG facists, so you lose across the board. What we really need is to stop offering populists and facists the stage. We have to place the issues that are actually important instead of this fucking fear mongering. People don't vote AFD for their legitimate policies! People vote facists if they're uneducated, poor, and desperate. We need to offer education and realistic opportunities of economical advancement and happiness. Want to guess which party doesn't offer that at all and instead will make all three significantly worse for working people? THE FUCKING AFD. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 6 points 15 hours ago (2 children) The problem is one step higher, the solution being offered is the shitty take. People hate capitalism, they struggle with real in person connections, hate their jobs, are underpaid, and struggle with basic cost of living expenses. AfD blames immigrants. The solution isn't to ALSO blame immigrants, the solution is to solve the underlying problems. It's a very difficult list of societal problems that specific people are claiming can be solved with one neat final solution, when in reality it just causes more problems and centralized power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 2 points 8 hours ago (1 child) difficult list of societal problems that specific people are claiming can be solved with one neat final solution Lol. I saw what you did there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 hours ago I'm not proud. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org 4 points 14 hours ago The solution isn’t to ALSO blame immigrants, the solution is to solve the underlying problems. Exactly my point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 point 21 hours ago (2 children) Perhaps we could start addressing the issues that the AfD is using as campaign talking points and that the others choose to ignore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago (1 child) People in (former) East Germany believe that they are forgotten by all the traditional political parties. And that nobody attempts to take care of them. So most of them see it as a protest vote. As an aside, about two thousand billion euros have been invested in the former Eastern Germany by the country and EU since the reunification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mucki@feddit.org 1 point 17 hours ago (1 child) Source for the "two thousand billion"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 point 17 hours ago (1 child) Local news yesterday night. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mucki@feddit.org 2 points 17 hours ago (2 children) That's no source. Which outlet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GardenGeek@europe.pub 5 points 17 hours ago Source seems to be Joachim Ragnith (economist, vice leader of ifo Dresden) https://www.msn.com/de-de/finanzen/wirtschaft/%C3%B6konom-joachim-ragnitz-seit-1991-sind-knapp-1-9-billionen-euro-von-west-nach-ost-geflossen/ar-AA2by3p1 Pinpointing a number is difficult for various reasons though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 child) I think it was arte in "le dessous des cartes". Not completely sure though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 3 points 11 hours ago* I can confirm: The number is mentioned at about 2:00 in the German version. https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/126925-113-A/mit-offenen-karten-im-fokus/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 child) Meeting the AFD at their terms ("inhaltlich stellen") is exactly what the CDU tried, and look where that got them. Answering facism with "well okay maybe we do have too many outsiders and queer people" doesn't solve facism, it simply creates more. And at the end of the day people still vote for the OG facists, so you lose across the board. What we really need is to stop offering populists and facists the stage. We have to place the issues that are actually important instead of this fucking fear mongering. People don't vote AFD for their legitimate policies! People vote facists if they're uneducated, poor, and desperate. We need to offer education and realistic opportunities of economical advancement and happiness. Want to guess which party doesn't offer that at all and instead will make all three significantly worse for working people? THE FUCKING AFD. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 6 points 15 hours ago (2 children) The problem is one step higher, the solution being offered is the shitty take. People hate capitalism, they struggle with real in person connections, hate their jobs, are underpaid, and struggle with basic cost of living expenses. AfD blames immigrants. The solution isn't to ALSO blame immigrants, the solution is to solve the underlying problems. It's a very difficult list of societal problems that specific people are claiming can be solved with one neat final solution, when in reality it just causes more problems and centralized power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 2 points 8 hours ago (1 child) difficult list of societal problems that specific people are claiming can be solved with one neat final solution Lol. I saw what you did there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 hours ago I'm not proud. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org 4 points 14 hours ago The solution isn’t to ALSO blame immigrants, the solution is to solve the underlying problems. Exactly my point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago (1 child) People in (former) East Germany believe that they are forgotten by all the traditional political parties. And that nobody attempts to take care of them. So most of them see it as a protest vote. As an aside, about two thousand billion euros have been invested in the former Eastern Germany by the country and EU since the reunification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mucki@feddit.org 1 point 17 hours ago (1 child) Source for the "two thousand billion"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 point 17 hours ago (1 child) Local news yesterday night. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mucki@feddit.org 2 points 17 hours ago (2 children) That's no source. Which outlet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GardenGeek@europe.pub 5 points 17 hours ago Source seems to be Joachim Ragnith (economist, vice leader of ifo Dresden) https://www.msn.com/de-de/finanzen/wirtschaft/%C3%B6konom-joachim-ragnitz-seit-1991-sind-knapp-1-9-billionen-euro-von-west-nach-ost-geflossen/ar-AA2by3p1 Pinpointing a number is difficult for various reasons though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 child) I think it was arte in "le dessous des cartes". Not completely sure though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 3 points 11 hours ago* I can confirm: The number is mentioned at about 2:00 in the German version. https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/126925-113-A/mit-offenen-karten-im-fokus/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mucki@feddit.org 1 point 17 hours ago (1 child) Source for the "two thousand billion"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 point 17 hours ago (1 child) Local news yesterday night. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mucki@feddit.org 2 points 17 hours ago (2 children) That's no source. Which outlet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GardenGeek@europe.pub 5 points 17 hours ago Source seems to be Joachim Ragnith (economist, vice leader of ifo Dresden) https://www.msn.com/de-de/finanzen/wirtschaft/%C3%B6konom-joachim-ragnitz-seit-1991-sind-knapp-1-9-billionen-euro-von-west-nach-ost-geflossen/ar-AA2by3p1 Pinpointing a number is difficult for various reasons though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 child) I think it was arte in "le dessous des cartes". Not completely sure though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 3 points 11 hours ago* I can confirm: The number is mentioned at about 2:00 in the German version. https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/126925-113-A/mit-offenen-karten-im-fokus/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 point 17 hours ago (1 child) Local news yesterday night. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mucki@feddit.org 2 points 17 hours ago (2 children) That's no source. Which outlet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GardenGeek@europe.pub 5 points 17 hours ago Source seems to be Joachim Ragnith (economist, vice leader of ifo Dresden) https://www.msn.com/de-de/finanzen/wirtschaft/%C3%B6konom-joachim-ragnitz-seit-1991-sind-knapp-1-9-billionen-euro-von-west-nach-ost-geflossen/ar-AA2by3p1 Pinpointing a number is difficult for various reasons though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 child) I think it was arte in "le dessous des cartes". Not completely sure though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 3 points 11 hours ago* I can confirm: The number is mentioned at about 2:00 in the German version. https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/126925-113-A/mit-offenen-karten-im-fokus/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mucki@feddit.org 2 points 17 hours ago (2 children) That's no source. Which outlet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GardenGeek@europe.pub 5 points 17 hours ago Source seems to be Joachim Ragnith (economist, vice leader of ifo Dresden) https://www.msn.com/de-de/finanzen/wirtschaft/%C3%B6konom-joachim-ragnitz-seit-1991-sind-knapp-1-9-billionen-euro-von-west-nach-ost-geflossen/ar-AA2by3p1 Pinpointing a number is difficult for various reasons though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 child) I think it was arte in "le dessous des cartes". Not completely sure though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 3 points 11 hours ago* I can confirm: The number is mentioned at about 2:00 in the German version. https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/126925-113-A/mit-offenen-karten-im-fokus/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GardenGeek@europe.pub 5 points 17 hours ago Source seems to be Joachim Ragnith (economist, vice leader of ifo Dresden) https://www.msn.com/de-de/finanzen/wirtschaft/%C3%B6konom-joachim-ragnitz-seit-1991-sind-knapp-1-9-billionen-euro-von-west-nach-ost-geflossen/ar-AA2by3p1 Pinpointing a number is difficult for various reasons though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 child) I think it was arte in "le dessous des cartes". Not completely sure though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 3 points 11 hours ago* I can confirm: The number is mentioned at about 2:00 in the German version. https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/126925-113-A/mit-offenen-karten-im-fokus/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 3 points 11 hours ago* I can confirm: The number is mentioned at about 2:00 in the German version. https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/126925-113-A/mit-offenen-karten-im-fokus/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 child) Meeting the AFD at their terms ("inhaltlich stellen") is exactly what the CDU tried, and look where that got them. Answering facism with "well okay maybe we do have too many outsiders and queer people" doesn't solve facism, it simply creates more. And at the end of the day people still vote for the OG facists, so you lose across the board. What we really need is to stop offering populists and facists the stage. We have to place the issues that are actually important instead of this fucking fear mongering. People don't vote AFD for their legitimate policies! People vote facists if they're uneducated, poor, and desperate. We need to offer education and realistic opportunities of economical advancement and happiness. Want to guess which party doesn't offer that at all and instead will make all three significantly worse for working people? THE FUCKING AFD. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 6 points 15 hours ago (2 children) The problem is one step higher, the solution being offered is the shitty take. People hate capitalism, they struggle with real in person connections, hate their jobs, are underpaid, and struggle with basic cost of living expenses. AfD blames immigrants. The solution isn't to ALSO blame immigrants, the solution is to solve the underlying problems. It's a very difficult list of societal problems that specific people are claiming can be solved with one neat final solution, when in reality it just causes more problems and centralized power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 2 points 8 hours ago (1 child) difficult list of societal problems that specific people are claiming can be solved with one neat final solution Lol. I saw what you did there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 hours ago I'm not proud. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org 4 points 14 hours ago The solution isn’t to ALSO blame immigrants, the solution is to solve the underlying problems. Exactly my point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 6 points 15 hours ago (2 children) The problem is one step higher, the solution being offered is the shitty take. People hate capitalism, they struggle with real in person connections, hate their jobs, are underpaid, and struggle with basic cost of living expenses. AfD blames immigrants. The solution isn't to ALSO blame immigrants, the solution is to solve the underlying problems. It's a very difficult list of societal problems that specific people are claiming can be solved with one neat final solution, when in reality it just causes more problems and centralized power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 2 points 8 hours ago (1 child) difficult list of societal problems that specific people are claiming can be solved with one neat final solution Lol. I saw what you did there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 hours ago I'm not proud. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org 4 points 14 hours ago The solution isn’t to ALSO blame immigrants, the solution is to solve the underlying problems. Exactly my point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 2 points 8 hours ago (1 child) difficult list of societal problems that specific people are claiming can be solved with one neat final solution Lol. I saw what you did there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 hours ago I'm not proud. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org 4 points 14 hours ago The solution isn’t to ALSO blame immigrants, the solution is to solve the underlying problems. Exactly my point. permalink fedilink source parent