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A reminder that as the US continues to threaten countries around the world, fedposting is to be very much avoided (even with qualifiers like "in Minecraft") and comments containing it will be removed.

Image shows a display of Changjian-1000 missiles, which are hypersonic cruise missiles with high manuverability and quick launch times. The linked archived article has several more images and descriptions of Chinese missile technology.


My weekly preamble is in spoiler tags below.

preambleAside from the virtually daily Iranian strikes on the Oman route, the main threat that the US is facing in this newest phase of the war is logistics. With Bahrain and the UAE unsafe, the closest safest port in the theater is Diego Garcia, which is over 2000 miles away. Either the aircraft carriers would have to go to Diego Garcia to restock, which would be even less planes and missiles available should hostilities restart suddenly, or goods have to be shuttled to the aircraft carriers from Diego Garcia. This latter option appears to be too much for the US to handle, with widespread reports of dwindling supplies and morale on the USS Abraham Lincoln (and, to a lesser extent, the USS George HW Bush). These reports have culminated in the USS George Washington being sent from the Pacific to replace the Lincoln, which was the sole aircraft carrier in that whole theater. There are six more carriers in maintenance, leaving two carriers left that could even hypothetically be called upon should the USS George HW Bush need replacement; both are currently undergoing training, and of these two, the USS Theodore Roosevelt might be available soon; perhaps even as soon as September. I'm unsure whether the Roosevelt will be sent to the Pacific to replace the Washington, or if it'll be sent to the Middle East to replace the Bush. Nonetheless, that the situation has deteriorated to the point where we can speculate on how very limited naval vessels are going to be distributed is yet one more indication among many of the decline of US naval power. The symbolism was too much for me to ignore, hence the title: the last aircraft carrier in the Pacific being forced to leave, and not under military pressure in some hypothetical war against China, but to try and relieve logistical burdens elsewhere in a war of the US's own making.

This joins Trump's statements that the US will only be taking a very limited part in the South Korean military exercises. This is nominally because of the "great ties" the US shares with the DPRK, but this is an embarrassingly transparent face-saving statement. The DPRK is an increasingly major potential threat to South Korea, a major regional power and economy, but are also helping Russia with both manpower and materiel and getting military experience and data on their missiles' effectiveness in return.

The US's Under Secretary of War, Elbridge Colby, recently visited the Philippines. There, he gave a speech that promised to continue the construction of a defensive network that would deny China the possibility of militarily advancing through the Pacific by stationing US forces inside friendly countries. This is the NATO approach: our mere presence will deter the enemy because they would not want to start a direct war with us, and in exchange, you have to hand over billions upon billions of dollars. Colby gave the Philippines that most backhanded of compliments, the "model ally", and stated that the US was “definitely not disengaging from Asia”. My "We aren't pivoting away from Asia" shirt has people asking a lot of questions that are already answered by my shirt.

If you're a US-friendly country in the Pacific and possess even the slightest sense of self-preservation, you are surely feeling nervous. The US is moving its aircraft carrier out of the theater. Overseas, you've seen how Iran - a very strong regional country, to be sure, but not as powerful as the industrial juggernaut and nuclear superpower that is China - has nonetheless crippled several undefendable US bases, has exhausted a very large amount of American air defense missiles, is holding the global economy hostage, and the US can seemingly do nothing to stop them. You have to be looking at your own US bases, likely expensive and unpopular, and all the money you're handing over to the US, and glancing at how the Gulf states are bickering of being betrayed by their ally who promised them protection and immediately retreated. You have to be looking at your economy and its dependence on China. You have to be looking at Ukraine, and the unenviable state of destruction it has been driven to as a puppet of the US. You have to be looking at China itself, and how its military is rapidly developing in all fields, and how it's even catching up on microchip development. In all, you have to be really hoping that China is serious that they only plan a peaceful reunification with Taiwan, and that the US will not do something incredibly, stupidly reckless in their decline.


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Sources on the fighting in Palestine against the temporary Zionist entity. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

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Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
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Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] Tervell@hexbear.net 40 points 7 hours ago

https://archive.ph/ymPY2

Trump opens door for foreign-built Navy ships. It could get complicated.

President Donald Trump has called for the US to outsource the building of at least a few Navy ships to foreign shipyards.

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In a new memo certain to make significant waves for the future of US Navy shipbuilding, President Donald Trump on Thursday called for the US to outsource the building of at least a few Navy ships to foreign shipyards. The new National Security Presidential Memorandum urges the expansion of the so-called “Finland model” currently employed to build the Coast Guard’s Arctic Security Cutters where initial vessels are built in Finland by foreign yards and subsequent vessels are constructed domestically. The memo says that as long as foreign shipbuilders agree to some stringent conditions on-shoring future work to the US, they would be allowed to build up to two ships in three different ship classes at their parent docks, which would then be transferred to the US. These ship classes include surface combatants with “sufficient inherent capabilities to perform anti‑submarine warfare, surface warfare, and convoy escort duties,” as well as those that meet “the requirements for Consolidated Cargo Replenishment at Sea (CONSOL) Tankers and — separately — Roll-On, Roll-Off Vessels,” according to the memo. Prior to Thursday’s directive, the Trump administration had already been pushing Congress to sign off on the Navy hiring foreign shipyards to build four vessels in the fiscal 2027 National Defense Authorization Act, and also had been requesting reconciliation funds go toward studying — and potentially procuring — an initial vessel from overseas. Congress has pushed back though, and each chamber has imposed their own restrictions in their respective versions of the NDAA.

But should the White House overcome barriers on Capitol Hill seeking to curb employing foreign yards, the path towards integrating foreign-built ships into the US is hardly cut and dry. Designing, integrating and maintaining foreign ships as part of the US Navy’s fleet would be effectively unprecedented — meaning the hurdles associated may be numerous, according to analysts who talked to Breaking Defense. “The main difficulties would be first off, we just never really have done that with … a combat-type ship,” said Bradley Martin, a senior policy researcher at RAND and retired Navy captain. “Another is that the standards would be different, and the US would have to make a decision that some things just aren’t as important.” Those hurdles, analysts said, can be put into two pots: technical and political. And it’s not clear which would be easier to overcome. At stake may well be the force makeup of America’s future navy.

Technical Challenges: Learning To Speak The Same Language

The challenges on the technical side are myriad, in part because annual defense appropriations measures have historically barred constructing US Navy ships abroad. According to Martin, getting the design right for a foreign-built warship early on would prove paramount. Specifically, he said that the ship must be engineered from the get-go to accommodate the weapons systems if the US wants to avoid problems on the backend, in the event the ship were built overseas and then outfitted with weapons systems in the US. “The US Navy has some survivability requirements and some requirements for redundancy and so forth that most foreign ships don’t satisfy, so they have to be modified from the beginning,” Martin said. “Another is that the types of combat systems and so forth that go into the ship — the ships are not engineered with those necessarily in mind. So putting two things together would be very difficult.” “The best outcome would be: Buy a ship and build it from the keel up, with the ability to integrate these systems,” Martin added. “If we don’t do that, we try to do it with a back-fit — that’s not going to work out real well, all kinds of delays.”

Comms gear with allied navies has previously presented challenges — although there are options to mitigate such barriers and compatibility issues in combat systems would be more difficult to address, according to Bryan Clark, director of the Hudson Institute think tank’s Center for Defense Concepts and Technology. While the US Navy already operates routinely with foreign ships in carrier strike group formations with NATO and Asian allies, these integrations typically aren’t “seamless” because the foreign ships aren’t outfitted with many of the communication networks on US ships, Clark said. Communication networks absent on NATO ships include Cooperative Engagement Capability that the US Navy utilizes to share missile defense targeting data. However, the US could outfit a foreign-built ship with “compatible” networks and datalinks, Clark said. “The more significant challenges will be commonality in combat systems,” Clark said. “Although Spanish, Korean, and Japanese ships use Aegis, it is a different version and configuration than on US ships. And other combat systems, such as for undersea warfare, are completely different. The US would also need to integrate the parts and logistics needed for the foreign ship’s hull, mechanical, and electrical systems into the US supply system.”

US Navy ships are also required to undergo extensive post-delivery testing and certification to gauge things like how the ship would weather in a combat environment — and a new playbook would have to be sorted out for any new, foreign vessel entering the fleet. For example, Clark said the bulk of the certification process for US ships stems from US technical standards for design and construction. “Since they would be built to different technical standards, the Navy will need to determine which standards to keep and which to revise,” he said. Clark noted that this process hampered the Constellation-class frigate program, which was based on a design from Italian shipbuilder Fincantieri. Wisconsin-based Fincantieri Marinette Marine secured an initial contract for the frigate in 2020. However, the Navy announced in December 2025 it would cut the program and only accept the two frigates already being built amid a series of cost overruns, delays and design changes. Eric Labs, a senior analyst for naval forces and weapons at the Congressional Budget Office, said that although he expects foreign ships to meet the same standards as US ships, including trials designed to test a ship’s shock hardness, ultimately the Navy, the administration and Congress would determine the degree of testing needed. “We could certainly choose not to do that and accept whatever risks would be associated with the specifics of the case,” Labs said. Additionally, Labs said that maintaining foreign ships would prove expensive if the US only chose to purchase two or three of them, and ended up with essentially an “orphan class,” like the three Zumwalt-class guided missile destroyers.

But, Labs said, if the Navy purchased between 10 to 20 foreign ships, maintenance and training pipelines would function similarly to any other new class of ship introduced to the fleet. (Labs spoke to Breaking Defense prior to the release of the memo, which directs all ships after the first two to be built in the US.) “It will need training equipment that is unique to the class and it will have a maintenance and spare parts program that will be unique to the class,” he said. “It would likely be a bit harder because there is less potential for overlap with existing US ship programs if the ship is sourced entirely to foreign suppliers but it is possible US suppliers could be brought, to some degree, into the process.” Even so, Labs said the Navy should invest “heavily in an upfront supply of spare parts that would be critical or merely important to maintain the class.” Separately, Labs said that a foreign vessel could be designed intentionally in a way that’s easier to maintain. “The Navy does not always invest as heavily in designing for maintainability as perhaps it should,” Labs said. “Some foreign ship designs and shipyards are better at that, so it would depend on who and what ship.” However, Clark said foreign ships would likely encounter difficulties on the maintenance front once operating at the rate US Navy ships do. “The challenge will likely be wear and tear given the US Navy’s operating tempo,” Clark said. “Foreign ships are often built to commercial vessel technical standards because they only operate a small percentage of the time.” In contrast, the Navy currently employs a 36-month Optimized Fleet Response Plan (OFRP) to accommodate maintenance, training and typically a seven-month-long deployment. Under this three-year cycle, ships could be at sea half the time, Clark said.

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[-] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 6 points 2 hours ago

The memo says that as long as foreign shipbuilders agree to some stringent conditions on-shoring future work to the US

janet-wink

[-] IranOuttaOil@hexbear.net 12 points 4 hours ago

Inb4 a US ship sinks because they are the only ones who use imperial screws and gaskets in their design, and all foreign manufacturing is in metric.

[-] supafuzz@hexbear.net 24 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

This can only really mean occupied Korea, right? Seems not great to be building your ships right next door to your purported existential enemy

[-] Tervell@hexbear.net 20 points 6 hours ago

Japan also has a decent shipbuilding industry, but, well, that's not that much further away. There's also some European countries which could be an option - they already have a contract with Finland for icebreakers, and they were working with an Italian shipbuilder for the Constellation frigate, except that got cancelled. But overall, for any actual large-scale construction, the options are in East Asia, it's not even a competition

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 9 points 4 hours ago

Japan also has a decent shipbuilding industry,

Keeping in mind China's recent stance on Japanese remilitarization, how much could they impact potential outsourcing? xibe-check

[-] Transform2942@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 hours ago

Western Values means forgetting how to build ships

[-] miz@hexbear.net 29 points 7 hours ago

the US to outsource the building of at least a few Navy ships

supposedly a great power btw

[-] Tervell@hexbear.net 17 points 7 hours ago

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Political Challenges: White House, Congress Clash Heats Up

Despite the Trump administration’s hardline efforts, there are lawmakers on both sides of the aisle staunchly opposed to hiring foreign shipbuilders to construct ships for the Navy — even though some have acknowledged that the Navy needs more ships, faster. For example, the House’s version of the FY27 NDAA that passed in July includes a provision barring the construction of both warships and those that make up the combat logistics fleet in a foreign shipyard. In response, the White House’s Office of Management and Budget (OMB) issued a statement blasting the move, claiming that the prohibition is “inconsistent” with the administration’s legislative proposal for lawmakers to include in the NDAA to permit the Navy to contract construction of two surface combatant vessels and two non-combat auxiliary vessels overseas “for the purpose of driving significant and direct foreign investment into our domestic shipyards.” “This bill’s prohibition and lack of authorization of this requested authority is a direct decrement to the safety and security of the American people and our national economy for which this Administration is directly responsible, and impedes the Administration’s efforts to expand domestic shipbuilding competition and capacity,” OMB said in a statement in July. “In addition, it limits the flexibility of the United States in leveraging foreign shipyards that have specific advancements, strengths, and technology that serve a specific Department of War need.”

The Senate Armed Services Committee’s version of the NDAA that passed in June also restricts building warships abroad. However, the measure does approve the procurement of up to two auxiliary ships from foreign shipyards — provided they invest in the US maritime industrial base for production of additional vessels. (Senate Democrats have halted the legislation from advancing to the floor, citing reservations with defense spending and the ongoing conflict with Iran.) The Navy’s budget request also includes $1.85 billion in reconciliation funding to study using foreign yards to build US warships, and potentially foot the bill for an initial vessel built in Japan or South Korea, Breaking Defense previously reported. Prior to Thursday’s memo, Labs said that for foreign ships appropriated under the reconciliation process, Trump would simply issue a waiver of US Code 8679 that limits construction of vessels for the armed forces in foreign yards, justified on national security grounds. That was the same process used in the icebreaker deals with Finland.

Members of Congress aren’t the only ones voicing opposition to the administration’s proposal. The Shipbuilders Council of America, a national trade association representing US shipyards, urged the administration to “reverse course and redirect this funding to qualified U.S. shipyards,” following the new memo. “While foreign investment into the U.S.-based shipyards and facilities is lauded to reach the Administration’s goals of revitalizing the shipyard industrial base, directing the DoW to build overseas only undercuts the federal Maritime Action Plan and generational investment into commercial and government shipbuilding,” the council’s president, Matthew Paxton, said in a statement Thursday. “Every hull built abroad is demand, jobs, and industrial capability diverted from American shipyards this Administration pledged to rebuild.”

[-] christian@hexbear.net 2 points 58 minutes ago

The Shipbuilders Council of America, a national trade association representing US shipyards, urged the administration to “reverse course and redirect this funding to qualified U.S. shipyards,”** following the new memo.

This has to translate directly to "reverse course by relaxing the standards on what 'qualified' means". There's basically no question a qualified shipyard would already have that funding, right?

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