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[+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 66 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago civil engineer [...] didn’t know what gentrification was… Sweet jebus on ice-skates. The guy was potentially a literal if not figurative architect in service of one of the most profound mechanisms of gentrification and hadn't heard of it?! That's like designing cars and being unaware of traffic jams and induced demand. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) What do you mean with critical theory? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory There are different forms but it's basically getting woke to class struggle between people who own shit and rent it out and people who get paid a bit to use the shit, but never actually get to own real shit or control what shit they decide to do. I'm putting it pretty bluntly and pretty woke..ly, and a lil but Marxly. It's also about analyzing systems we use to organise ourselves and what they do to us. Basically how to get people to actually wake up to how and why things are how they are and maybe how they could be different / better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 weeks ago In the context of STEM students who focus on inputs, outputs, and engines at the expense of considering societal impacts (or simply telling themselves it's the job of poor humanities students to get elected and pass laws to constrain the most egregious negative externalities of technology) it's asking who an efficiency is for. Efficiency cannot exist in a moral vacuum. As Kim Stanley Robinson summarized in The Ministry for the Future (2020): … there is good efficiency and bad efficiency, good inefficiency and bad inefficiency. … preventative health care saves enormous amounts in medical costs later, and is a good efficiency. Eating your extra children (this is Swift’s character’s “modest proposal”) would be a bad efficiency. Any harm to people for profit is likewise bad, no matter how efficient. Using an over-sized vehicle to get from point A to point B is a bad inefficiency, and there are many more like it; but oxbows in a river, defining a large flood plain, is a good inefficiency permalink fedilink source parent [+] Bluewing@lemmy.world -32 points 3 weeks ago (6 children) Isn't it funny how people who "have things" are less likely to be all that interested in leftism. And those who don't have "things" look at them, want more leftism because they want want the "things" the people who have "things" and they don't have. And neither side understands the other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children) That leftism is a product of ressentiment from people who don't have "things" against people who have "things", I guess. ContraPoints-level take tbh. I hate billionaires, not because I want to be a miserable sociopath with too much money, but because they are largely the reason that any kind of improvement to our planet and species is being blocked. I support socialized healthcare, not because I envy those who have the money to pay for life-saving healthcare, but because I don't want to fucking die, etc. etc. There certainly are people like BadEmpanada, who oppose unions and welfare so that "first-worlders can suffer", but they definitely don't reflect what leftism is in general. BE permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mobyduck648@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago I agree, and I’d add it’s not even a specifically left wing impulse either. The Roman Republic of all institutions was deeply concerned with the idea that republics shouldn’t have private princes as well as kings. The fact the Roman Republic failed to contain its oligarchy to the point of fundamental destabilisation into arbitrary power is evidence people ought to pay attention to left wingers when they say the same thing about billionaires and the concentration of wealth. permalink fedilink source parent [+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago BE on twitter and BE while actually speaking seriously are like two different people. He seems to have an unhealthy addiction to creating twitter ragebate. I would not take it literally. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) They don't understand either side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) That's a different person you're replying to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago I missed it permalink fedilink source parent [–] Okokimup@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Isn't it funny how people who "have food" are less likely to be all that interested in leftism. And those who don't have "food" look at them, want more leftism because they want want the "food" the people who have "food" and they don't have. It's still garbled, but makes a better point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Your edit makes a good insinuation "they're just things" people think objects are frivolous things that tie you down because they've never experienced genuine lack. Not like lack of toys, but the bear necessities of survival. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomy@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child) The basic necessities should just be provided, by that I mean food and shelter and basic medical care. If people want to live luxuriously that's fantatic, going and toiling, innovating or improving their situation in someway should be encouraged; but no one should ever be shelterless and hungry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 weeks ago Yup! You get it permalink fedilink source parent [–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago I have plenty of things, and still support pretty left wing ideas (except for the violence that some people here seem think is required to be considered left). permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago Ayn Rand has entered the chat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 weeks ago What do you mean? I have more things than I could ever want. I want more agency. permalink fedilink source parent [–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Leftists aren't jealous of rich people. Slanderous and incorrect permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago I just want to be able to live life as carefree as they can without regards to money. It's a bit of jealousy but it's not the overriding reason for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago civil engineer [...] didn’t know what gentrification was… Sweet jebus on ice-skates. The guy was potentially a literal if not figurative architect in service of one of the most profound mechanisms of gentrification and hadn't heard of it?! That's like designing cars and being unaware of traffic jams and induced demand. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) What do you mean with critical theory? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory There are different forms but it's basically getting woke to class struggle between people who own shit and rent it out and people who get paid a bit to use the shit, but never actually get to own real shit or control what shit they decide to do. I'm putting it pretty bluntly and pretty woke..ly, and a lil but Marxly. It's also about analyzing systems we use to organise ourselves and what they do to us. Basically how to get people to actually wake up to how and why things are how they are and maybe how they could be different / better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 weeks ago In the context of STEM students who focus on inputs, outputs, and engines at the expense of considering societal impacts (or simply telling themselves it's the job of poor humanities students to get elected and pass laws to constrain the most egregious negative externalities of technology) it's asking who an efficiency is for. Efficiency cannot exist in a moral vacuum. As Kim Stanley Robinson summarized in The Ministry for the Future (2020): … there is good efficiency and bad efficiency, good inefficiency and bad inefficiency. … preventative health care saves enormous amounts in medical costs later, and is a good efficiency. Eating your extra children (this is Swift’s character’s “modest proposal”) would be a bad efficiency. Any harm to people for profit is likewise bad, no matter how efficient. Using an over-sized vehicle to get from point A to point B is a bad inefficiency, and there are many more like it; but oxbows in a river, defining a large flood plain, is a good inefficiency permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory There are different forms but it's basically getting woke to class struggle between people who own shit and rent it out and people who get paid a bit to use the shit, but never actually get to own real shit or control what shit they decide to do. I'm putting it pretty bluntly and pretty woke..ly, and a lil but Marxly. It's also about analyzing systems we use to organise ourselves and what they do to us. Basically how to get people to actually wake up to how and why things are how they are and maybe how they could be different / better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 weeks ago In the context of STEM students who focus on inputs, outputs, and engines at the expense of considering societal impacts (or simply telling themselves it's the job of poor humanities students to get elected and pass laws to constrain the most egregious negative externalities of technology) it's asking who an efficiency is for. Efficiency cannot exist in a moral vacuum. As Kim Stanley Robinson summarized in The Ministry for the Future (2020): … there is good efficiency and bad efficiency, good inefficiency and bad inefficiency. … preventative health care saves enormous amounts in medical costs later, and is a good efficiency. Eating your extra children (this is Swift’s character’s “modest proposal”) would be a bad efficiency. Any harm to people for profit is likewise bad, no matter how efficient. Using an over-sized vehicle to get from point A to point B is a bad inefficiency, and there are many more like it; but oxbows in a river, defining a large flood plain, is a good inefficiency permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 weeks ago In the context of STEM students who focus on inputs, outputs, and engines at the expense of considering societal impacts (or simply telling themselves it's the job of poor humanities students to get elected and pass laws to constrain the most egregious negative externalities of technology) it's asking who an efficiency is for. Efficiency cannot exist in a moral vacuum. As Kim Stanley Robinson summarized in The Ministry for the Future (2020): … there is good efficiency and bad efficiency, good inefficiency and bad inefficiency. … preventative health care saves enormous amounts in medical costs later, and is a good efficiency. Eating your extra children (this is Swift’s character’s “modest proposal”) would be a bad efficiency. Any harm to people for profit is likewise bad, no matter how efficient. Using an over-sized vehicle to get from point A to point B is a bad inefficiency, and there are many more like it; but oxbows in a river, defining a large flood plain, is a good inefficiency permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Bluewing@lemmy.world -32 points 3 weeks ago (6 children) Isn't it funny how people who "have things" are less likely to be all that interested in leftism. And those who don't have "things" look at them, want more leftism because they want want the "things" the people who have "things" and they don't have. And neither side understands the other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children) That leftism is a product of ressentiment from people who don't have "things" against people who have "things", I guess. ContraPoints-level take tbh. I hate billionaires, not because I want to be a miserable sociopath with too much money, but because they are largely the reason that any kind of improvement to our planet and species is being blocked. I support socialized healthcare, not because I envy those who have the money to pay for life-saving healthcare, but because I don't want to fucking die, etc. etc. There certainly are people like BadEmpanada, who oppose unions and welfare so that "first-worlders can suffer", but they definitely don't reflect what leftism is in general. BE permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mobyduck648@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago I agree, and I’d add it’s not even a specifically left wing impulse either. The Roman Republic of all institutions was deeply concerned with the idea that republics shouldn’t have private princes as well as kings. The fact the Roman Republic failed to contain its oligarchy to the point of fundamental destabilisation into arbitrary power is evidence people ought to pay attention to left wingers when they say the same thing about billionaires and the concentration of wealth. permalink fedilink source parent [+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago BE on twitter and BE while actually speaking seriously are like two different people. He seems to have an unhealthy addiction to creating twitter ragebate. I would not take it literally. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) They don't understand either side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) That's a different person you're replying to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago I missed it permalink fedilink source parent [–] Okokimup@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Isn't it funny how people who "have food" are less likely to be all that interested in leftism. And those who don't have "food" look at them, want more leftism because they want want the "food" the people who have "food" and they don't have. It's still garbled, but makes a better point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Your edit makes a good insinuation "they're just things" people think objects are frivolous things that tie you down because they've never experienced genuine lack. Not like lack of toys, but the bear necessities of survival. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomy@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child) The basic necessities should just be provided, by that I mean food and shelter and basic medical care. If people want to live luxuriously that's fantatic, going and toiling, innovating or improving their situation in someway should be encouraged; but no one should ever be shelterless and hungry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 weeks ago Yup! You get it permalink fedilink source parent [–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago I have plenty of things, and still support pretty left wing ideas (except for the violence that some people here seem think is required to be considered left). permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago Ayn Rand has entered the chat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 weeks ago What do you mean? I have more things than I could ever want. I want more agency. permalink fedilink source parent [–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Leftists aren't jealous of rich people. Slanderous and incorrect permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago I just want to be able to live life as carefree as they can without regards to money. It's a bit of jealousy but it's not the overriding reason for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children) That leftism is a product of ressentiment from people who don't have "things" against people who have "things", I guess. ContraPoints-level take tbh. I hate billionaires, not because I want to be a miserable sociopath with too much money, but because they are largely the reason that any kind of improvement to our planet and species is being blocked. I support socialized healthcare, not because I envy those who have the money to pay for life-saving healthcare, but because I don't want to fucking die, etc. etc. There certainly are people like BadEmpanada, who oppose unions and welfare so that "first-worlders can suffer", but they definitely don't reflect what leftism is in general. BE permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mobyduck648@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago I agree, and I’d add it’s not even a specifically left wing impulse either. The Roman Republic of all institutions was deeply concerned with the idea that republics shouldn’t have private princes as well as kings. The fact the Roman Republic failed to contain its oligarchy to the point of fundamental destabilisation into arbitrary power is evidence people ought to pay attention to left wingers when they say the same thing about billionaires and the concentration of wealth. permalink fedilink source parent [+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago BE on twitter and BE while actually speaking seriously are like two different people. He seems to have an unhealthy addiction to creating twitter ragebate. I would not take it literally. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) They don't understand either side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) That's a different person you're replying to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago I missed it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children) That leftism is a product of ressentiment from people who don't have "things" against people who have "things", I guess. ContraPoints-level take tbh. I hate billionaires, not because I want to be a miserable sociopath with too much money, but because they are largely the reason that any kind of improvement to our planet and species is being blocked. I support socialized healthcare, not because I envy those who have the money to pay for life-saving healthcare, but because I don't want to fucking die, etc. etc. There certainly are people like BadEmpanada, who oppose unions and welfare so that "first-worlders can suffer", but they definitely don't reflect what leftism is in general. BE permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mobyduck648@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago I agree, and I’d add it’s not even a specifically left wing impulse either. The Roman Republic of all institutions was deeply concerned with the idea that republics shouldn’t have private princes as well as kings. The fact the Roman Republic failed to contain its oligarchy to the point of fundamental destabilisation into arbitrary power is evidence people ought to pay attention to left wingers when they say the same thing about billionaires and the concentration of wealth. permalink fedilink source parent [+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago BE on twitter and BE while actually speaking seriously are like two different people. He seems to have an unhealthy addiction to creating twitter ragebate. I would not take it literally. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mobyduck648@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago I agree, and I’d add it’s not even a specifically left wing impulse either. The Roman Republic of all institutions was deeply concerned with the idea that republics shouldn’t have private princes as well as kings. The fact the Roman Republic failed to contain its oligarchy to the point of fundamental destabilisation into arbitrary power is evidence people ought to pay attention to left wingers when they say the same thing about billionaires and the concentration of wealth. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago BE on twitter and BE while actually speaking seriously are like two different people. He seems to have an unhealthy addiction to creating twitter ragebate. I would not take it literally. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) They don't understand either side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) That's a different person you're replying to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago I missed it permalink fedilink source parent
[+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) That's a different person you're replying to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago I missed it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) That's a different person you're replying to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago I missed it permalink fedilink source parent
[+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago I missed it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Okokimup@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Isn't it funny how people who "have food" are less likely to be all that interested in leftism. And those who don't have "food" look at them, want more leftism because they want want the "food" the people who have "food" and they don't have. It's still garbled, but makes a better point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Your edit makes a good insinuation "they're just things" people think objects are frivolous things that tie you down because they've never experienced genuine lack. Not like lack of toys, but the bear necessities of survival. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomy@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child) The basic necessities should just be provided, by that I mean food and shelter and basic medical care. If people want to live luxuriously that's fantatic, going and toiling, innovating or improving their situation in someway should be encouraged; but no one should ever be shelterless and hungry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 weeks ago Yup! You get it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Your edit makes a good insinuation "they're just things" people think objects are frivolous things that tie you down because they've never experienced genuine lack. Not like lack of toys, but the bear necessities of survival. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomy@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child) The basic necessities should just be provided, by that I mean food and shelter and basic medical care. If people want to live luxuriously that's fantatic, going and toiling, innovating or improving their situation in someway should be encouraged; but no one should ever be shelterless and hungry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 weeks ago Yup! You get it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child) The basic necessities should just be provided, by that I mean food and shelter and basic medical care. If people want to live luxuriously that's fantatic, going and toiling, innovating or improving their situation in someway should be encouraged; but no one should ever be shelterless and hungry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 weeks ago Yup! You get it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago I have plenty of things, and still support pretty left wing ideas (except for the violence that some people here seem think is required to be considered left). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago Ayn Rand has entered the chat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 weeks ago What do you mean? I have more things than I could ever want. I want more agency. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Leftists aren't jealous of rich people. Slanderous and incorrect permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago I just want to be able to live life as carefree as they can without regards to money. It's a bit of jealousy but it's not the overriding reason for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago I just want to be able to live life as carefree as they can without regards to money. It's a bit of jealousy but it's not the overriding reason for it. permalink fedilink source parent